+1 and im sticking to it LOL
I am hoping our local cable co will start using UBB soon :)
On 4/27/2015 6:42 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
Some operators use unlimited as a marketing stretch to differentiate
themselves. I personally found that the increase in growth rate and
customer retention by offering unlimited made UBB unattractive.
The same strategy doesn't work for everyone. Maybe I just didn't
believe in it enough. To each his own.
On Apr 27, 2015 6:30 AM, "Wireless Admin" <wirel...@8nfever.com
<mailto:wirel...@8nfever.com>> wrote:
Introduce usage based billing and voilà, double the modulation of
your wireless network without having to buy new equipment.
Steve
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*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy /sarcasm
*Sent:* Monday, April 27, 2015 12:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..
interesting. I wonder if this could impact video quality and
buffering in an odd way, could explain a customer issue we have had
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:01 PM, Josh Luthman
<j...@imaginenetworksllc.com <mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
wrote:
Did you update the signatures? That sounds awfully generic.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 <tel:937-552-2340>
Direct: 937-552-2343 <tel:937-552-2343>
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Apr 26, 2015 11:47 PM, "Kurt Fankhauser" <li...@wavelinc.com
<mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:
You have got to be kidding me? CDN traffic being discarded 50%?
What exactly would this be? The Procera box picked this traffic up
as "HTTP Download" so it wasn't streaming. Only other thing I can
think of is this customer has an XBOX maybe it was downloading an
update? with 50% packet loss no wonder they called and complained,
said they couldn't do anything....
reless network
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405>
fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110>
On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 11:11 PM, Faisal Imtiaz
<fai...@snappytelecom.net <mailto:fai...@snappytelecom.net>> wrote:
Sorry, I missed that .. :)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2 or
Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
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*From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)"
<geo...@cbcast.com <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2015 9:50:17 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle not working..
I know. I was being sarcastic.
It doesn't seem fair that they do TCP congestion control in a
way that doubles the traffic and we end up discarding 50%
anyway, but it still fills up our pipes. Just sayin'.
On 4/26/2015 8:37 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
I see that the net neutrality is going to be the next
boogieman under the bed for WISP's from now on...
Please, please, please, correct your understanding on
Net-Neutrality...
It allows for one to traffic shape any and all kinds of
traffic, as long as :-
a) You declare your practice on your website.
b) You DON"T DO IT specific to A SPECIFIC Network..
i.e. all VOIP, or all Video, or ALL Streaming..
(applying a throttle on video to netflix while
allowing Hulu would be considered a violation, but
applying throttle to all types of video content is NOT !)
:)
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
7266 SW 48 Street
Miami, FL 33155
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <tel:305%20663%205518%20x%20232>
Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <tel:%28305%29663-5518> Option 2
or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net
<mailto:supp...@snappytelecom.net>
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*From: *"George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)"
<geo...@cbcast.com> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>
*To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Sent: *Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:12:13 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket throttle
not working..
So you'd be purposely slowing down or blocking
legitimate traffic from an edge provider to the
customer? Oh no, net neutrality violation!
So when everyone starts with the 4k streaming and
we're selling the customer 20Mbps, then we have to
take on 40Mbps because of this!?
On 4/26/2015 5:58 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
I could justify declaring such traffic an attack
and blocking the source as malicious.
*From:*George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
<mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>
*Sent:*Sunday, April 26, 2015 4:30 PM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket
throttle not working..
Yep, I see this all the time and Ken is exactly
right. The Canopy QoS works exactly as designed,
the AP is definitely not delivering more than the
sustained rate, but is instead discarding the
extra 50%. I've tested this situation thoroughly.
Stick a MT simple queue in at the upstream router
and the 2X rate traffic stops hitting the AP's
ethernet interface, but it's still coming in at
double the sustained rate farther upstream.
There's no way around it except throwing bandwidth
at it.
This is CDN traffic. And when the customer thinks
they can install one of those "internet download
managers" to speed up their connection. The only
thing it does is screw with TCP acks or window
sizes or something which just puts more traffic on
your transit just to be discarded at the
congestion point (SM, queue, Procera, whatever).
Gotta love it.
You'd think with 70% of the internets being
streaming video they'd think hmm.. maybe we can
cut down on the peering congestion by NOT doing
this crap. But no.
On 4/26/2015 11:01 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
Sorry to answer a question with a question,
but are you measuring at the SM, or at some
upstream router?
The reason I ask, is I have seen some CDN
traffic that does not seem to follow
traditional TCP congestion control. It will
send at twice the rate limit, causing 50%
packet loss to its own traffic and everything
else to that same subscriber. Evidently some
TCP geniuses have decided to use latency
rather than packet loss as the indicator of
congestion, and that the objective is goodput
not throughput. Works for last mile
technologies like T1 and DSL with big buffers
at the head end of the fixed speed serial
connection, not so good with the type of rate
limit queues we tend to use unless we can
provision the queues with big buffers.
Probably not your problem, but I thought I’d
bring it up just in case.
*From:*Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>
*Sent:*Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:50 AM
*To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:*[AFMUG] 450SM sustain bucket
throttle not working..
I have a 450 SM that is rate limited in the SM
to 1500kbps download on the sustain side. I
noticed last night that this customer was
pulling a steady almost 3mbps download for
several hours on end. How is this possible? Is
there a problem with 13.2 firmware? Its a
3.65ghz SM.
see attached.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com <http://www.wavelinc.com/>
tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405>
fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110>
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