I really believe that there is more that can be done than we currently know. You may call that faith of a mustard seed, but it's been proven time and again in history. We may think we know the laws of physics, but who's to say that we are correct?
Eventually, we will have wireless devices that can communicate from one side of the globe to the other at extremely high speeds we've never though possible...and without a satellite to relay the signal. It will go through the earth. We just haven't figured out how yet. It's not a question of if, it's a question of when. I just hope I get to see that in my lifetime. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield > On May 29, 2015, at 6:16 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > > Yeah, but it will require the faith of a mustard seed. Physics is > notoriously difficult to to bend to your will. > > From: Brett A Mansfield > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 5:58 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution > > I've heard this argument before. I respond the same way every time. Where > there is a will, there is a way. We just haven't found it yet. > > Thank you, > Brett A Mansfield > >> On May 29, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> 60 or 240ghz multipoint, with the massive signal loss due to not using >> directional antennas, would have a reliable range of say 300ft? May be more >> reasonable to string fiber, heck cat6 in most cases. >> >>> On May 29, 2015 5:49 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> >>> wrote: >>> 60 and 240GHz can make wireless in urban areas actually be able to compete >>> with cable and maybe even fiber. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Brett A Mansfield >>> >>>> On May 29, 2015, at 4:44 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Id stay ahead of the curve. There is a LOT of spectrum out there going >>>> unused. For example, 60GHz and 240GHz. Yes they cannot go very far, but it >>>> seems none of the other high frequency stuff can either. And these are >>>> very high capacity. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015, at 4:39 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Maybe you can explain what you would do different than all the other >>>>> manufacturers that would solve the problem. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 3:33 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You don't need a lot of money to start manufacturing. You just need to >>>>> know the right people. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015, at 4:28 PM, Jason McKemie >>>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I hope you have a lot more money than most people here... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:23 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Yep, it sure does seem that way. I'm trying to think outside of the box, >>>>> but every time I do I get back to the same place. Nothing I can do this >>>>> with is on the market yet or never will be. I'm getting more and more >>>>> tempted every day to start manufacturing my own stuff. I've already >>>>> started looking into that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Anything you guys would like to see come to market? If I go into >>>>> manufacturing I'm going to be all in. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015, at 4:19 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You need a different strategy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 3:18 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You're very right about the 24GHz. I know several companies are working >>>>> on something in 60GHz which would be ideal because it's not a very large >>>>> area and can be daisy chained into a ring. 80GHz would be fine, but like >>>>> you said nothing seems to exist. These CCS devices look >>>>> great and might be exactly what I'm looking for. I just hope the price is >>>>> right. They are 26 and 28GHz. But I think Vivint has a bit of a monopoly >>>>> in my area with all of their 28GHz radios all over the place. I'm afraid >>>>> the noise would be too much, even with the narrow beams. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015, at 4:13 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm pretty sure the FCC doesn't allow PtMP in 24ghz. I don't know if >>>>> anything exists for PtMP in 80ghz... or maybe 60ghz? >>>>> >>>>> It seems like the only real option here is 28ghz. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:04 PM, Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You can buy spectrum in 28GHz and use Cambridge like Vivato does or >>>>> depending on how many clients and range you are talking about, maybe >>>>> something in 24 or 80GHz. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Rory >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 2:58 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You know that's why they sync, right? You can have a whole lot of >>>>> sync'ed APs/masters at the one site and as long as they're transmitting >>>>> at the same time and the client/slave sites aren't nearing the different >>>>> master's you'll be fine. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 5:49 PM, Brett A Mansfield >>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> That is exactly what I'm looking for. I need something inexpensive >>>>> comparatively and it needs to be PtMP. I could use airfibers if I could >>>>> do PTP, but that would be FAR too many radios in one location competing >>>>> for airtime. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Josh, I currently use 3.65, but I need high capacity. 80Mb at best is not >>>>> near enough. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> You’re looking for licensed PtMP backhaul? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If that is the case, then CCS has a 28GHz offering with StraightPath. >>>>> But not sure what you’re looking at price wise. You may just investigate >>>>> multiple 23GHz shots or something similar depending on distance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Just want to make sure the request is clear. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *************************************************************************** >>>>> >>>>> Daniel White - Managing Director >>>>> >>>>> SAF North America LLC >>>>> >>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 >>>>> >>>>> daniel.wh...@saftehnika.com >>>>> >>>>> Skype: danieldwhite >>>>> Social: LinkedIn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *************************************************************************** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield >>>>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 3:42 PM >>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PTMP backhaul solution >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking for backhaul. Anything in 2.4 or 5GHz won't work. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015, at 3:35 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> EPMP and maybe Ubnt AC >>>>> >>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> >>>>> On May 29, 2015 5:32 PM, "Brett A Mansfield" >>>>> <li...@silverlakeinternet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm looking for the best high capacity and low cost PTMP solution. This >>>>> is for my backhauls to distribute to smaller cells in a large area. >>>>> Anyone know of something that fits this description? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you, >>>>> Brett A Mansfield >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >>>>> www.avast.com
