I agree with this. It’s also another reason we don’t give public IP’s to residential users.
Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 12:58 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24HD If the guy is running a business and is going to send angry Twitter posts when his Internet goes down because he’s getting DOS’d, he should at a minimum have business service. But I compare it to someone like Brian Krebs who knows he’s going to get DOS’d because of what he does and is upfront with his Internet providers and in fact uses one that specializes in DOS mitigation. I was not trying to say professional gamers are bad people or anything like that. I love Brian Krebs, but would not sell him an Internet connection. From: Adam Moffett<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 2:28 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24HD Agreed. On 9/14/2015 2:58 PM, Joshua Stump wrote: GET OFF MY LAWN! On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 2:49 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: I hope there is a way under the Open Internet Order to deny service to gamers who live stream on Twitch. The term “attractive nuisance” comes to mind. In addition to DOS attacks, wasn’t there a rash of swatting attacks against Twitch players, where the SWAT team would bust into their house while they were streaming? From: Mark Radabaugh<mailto:m...@amplex.net> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 1:40 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24HD Last week we start getting angry twitter posts from a customer but no matching name. About the same time a tower site goes down. Start investigating the outage and find >100Mbps flooding the tower from a DOS attack. Track down the IP/Customer it’s aimed at. Hey, wait a minute, isn’t that the guy complaining on twitter? Oh yeah. Claims to be a professional call of duty player who gets paid. Really? Mark On Sep 14, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com<mailto:af...@kwisp.com>> wrote: That competitor is in for a rude awakening, customers whose VoIP calls drop and Roku video freezes consider even a momentary outage or degradation "Unacceptable!" (to quote Beldar): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YUE7LAFrOM This is not the Internet of a few years ago, where people didn't even notice short outages. -----Original Message----- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:58 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] AF24HD On 9/14/15 09:42, Ken Hohhof wrote: > That’s just crazy, unless you can tolerate outages whenever it rains. > Whatever number you use for rain fade per mile, let’s say 10 dB/mile at > 24 GHz, multiply by 12. No way you are going to get 120 dB fade > margin. The only way would be if your weather is such that it never > rains over more than a very small area at the same time. There's a competitor in my area with outages or degraded service as normal ops (it's a feature not a bug) and their customers largely seem to accept it. ~Seth -- Joshua Stump Network Administrator | Fourway.NET<http://Fourway.NET> | 800-733-0062
