Yes, we do not install a surge suppressor at our installs. The Ubiquiti POE has some surge suppression, when installed correctly. We drill a 3/8" hole with grommet on the outside, and cut in a wallplate on the inside, with a low voltage box. We use a shielded patch cable to the POE and unshielded out to the router. This saves us countless service calls from routers dying in lightning storms. It also protects the radio from near-field ESDs. We expect to occasionally lose a POE but we haven't yet. The ONLY issues with dead routers, NICs, and radios that we have ever had have been the homes where we tied into the unshielded cat5 that was stubbed out by the contractor, and lost the ground.
On those jobs we are considering adding a surge protector, but we have run into many issues with how to go about that. The previous company that I worked for hit multiple gas lines and sprinkler lines before they gave up pounding ground rods in. So we could look at scheduling Blue Stakes before every install, or require a site survey first, then determine if we need Blue Stakes, then we are still likely to occasionally hit something. This adds a ton of wait time and multiple trips to every potential install. Then comes the issue of meeting Electrical code. Any ground that we add needs to be bonded to the house ground, and only a master electrician who is certified can legally make that connection. Then comes the liability involved with us just doing it anyway. For now we go with this method, and it works, looks clean, and saves equipment. On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 12:18 PM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Jeremy, > > > > I’m lost. Why do you use shielded keystone jacks on every install? > > > > Use a surge suppressor on the outside of the house. Shielded cable to > that. Unshielded cable from the surge suppressor to inside the house (I > assume your installing a keystone jack in the wall, which is certainly > above and beyond and a nice touch). > > > > I know most WISP’s pull the cable straight thru. When I was an installer > I was a contractor (Mesa Networks didn’t use employee installers) and I > would charge customers $15 to install a keystone and a faceplate. Took me > maybe an additional 5 minutes, but customers loved how much nicer it looked > and the ISP (Mesa) didn’t care. Was an extra $45 to $60 I made a day (and > materials are cheap). > > > > Thank you, > > > > Daniel White > > afmu...@gmail.com > > Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 > > Skype: danieldwhite > Social: LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/danielwhite84>: Twitter > <https://twitter.com/DanielWhite84> > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jeremy > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2015 11:56 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks > > > > Nope, we use these on every install. We need cheap. > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 9:47 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > If this is for a high density patch panel application, I guess I would > tend toward Panduit. Good stuff, ain’t cheap though. > > > http://www.panduit.com/heiler/InstallInstructions/N-COPN--399--RevG--ENG.pdf > > > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:26 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks > > > > Line from the radio goes to your RJ45-ECS. The ECS in our case goes to > our NEMA enclosure. > > > > If you're trying to a rackmounted patch panel the ECS isn't a solution, > but I thought I'd offer my solution for this problem. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > I have tried many and hated them all. Closest I found was some Signamax > jacks I bought from Accu-Tech in Romeoville, IL. > > > > I’m not sure I follow what Josh is saying, but maybe same as what I would > probably do. I know how to crimp on a shielded RJ45 plug, and they make > shielded pass-through keystone jacks. Basically a panel mount inline > coupler. > > > > > > *From:* Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:07 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Shielded keystone jacks > > > > If it's outside what I do is RJ45-ECS (they changed to shielded a while > back, same part number) and that goes to a WB SS. > > > > > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > > > On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 11:04 AM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I prefer Union Special Tech keystone jacks, but holy crap they are hard to > find in the US! For their shielded jacks, they have a little lock ring > that locks the cable down tight (strain relief), and provides an awesome > ground. That strain relief looks like this > http://www.netkey.ru/content/img/wmc_pictures/2008/9/img/kj2-c6-sh-f-wh.jpg > > > > That model is KJ2-C5E-FS, and I am having an extremely difficult time > finding it. I have found these in the past for around $1 ea. All I am > finding now are these crappy ones that I can't stand for around $2-3 ea. > https://www.firefold.com/cat5e-keystone-jack-110-shielded?gclid=CIztiaGOrsgCFc-FfgodwGsLwg > > > > What are you guys using for shielded keystone jacks? Any good sources for > them at reasonable prices? I am looking to buy 1000. I have contacted the > manufacturer in Taiwan on multiple occasions and do not get a reply. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/antivirus> > >
