I think everything that's certified under the new rules is pretty
trustworthy. I've never seen anything from Cambium let me go above what I
knew to be within the limits. I don't trust older UBNT firmware at all, but
5.6.2 and newer should keep everything compliant as long as the antennas
are set right.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
wrote:

> Your responsibility is to expect what Ubnt offers and details to be true.
>
> Ubnt will almost certainly do a great job of covering their ass.  No one
> wants to test the tolerance of the FCC.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
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> On Oct 14, 2015 5:52 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> so how trustworthy is new hardware and the updated firmwares from UBNT
>> and cambium to be compliant as long as I have the real antenna gain in? I
>> don't ever foresee the fcc tooling around my network, but Ive worked hard
>> to get compliant, and I'm treating everything as if it falls under the new
>> rules.
>> My chart may have been a vendors limits, its just what I was going by. I
>> do know the 5.6.2 firmware from ubnt would alow me to go above what the
>> chart said
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Ty Featherling <tyfeatherl...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes the rules are the same for all but with their current hardware
>>> limitations the different products have to use different power levels to
>>> still meet the OOBE requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Ty
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Josh Luthman <
>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Limiting factor is OOBE more than EIRP.
>>>>
>>>> Josh Luthman
>>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>>> Suite 1337
>>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>> On Oct 14, 2015 2:13 PM, "That One Guy /sarcasm" <
>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So the EIRP limits from the FCC differ per manufacturer? I thought
>>>>> they were the same across the board
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Mathew Howard <mhoward...@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Any generic chart isn't going to be particularly accurate now, since
>>>>>> every radio is a bit different under the new rules - especially at the 
>>>>>> band
>>>>>> edges.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You pretty much just have to follow what the firmware lets you do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:47 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm <
>>>>>> thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had a chart, I dont know where its at, it went away when I went to
>>>>>>> windows 10. Just showed EIRP by channel/size accounting for band edges
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you’re talking equipment certified under the new FCC rules,
>>>>>>>> there is no simple answer.  It depends on the radio and may be 
>>>>>>>> different at
>>>>>>>> every frequency even within the same band.  So you need to check the
>>>>>>>> firmware or a path calculator tool from the particular manufacturer, 
>>>>>>>> unless
>>>>>>>> you are able to decipher the FCC equipment authorization filing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you’re talking equipment grandfathered under the old rules, I
>>>>>>>> believe it’s still +36 dBm in 5725-5850 for APs, and +30 dBm in DFS 
>>>>>>>> bands
>>>>>>>> (less if channel is smaller than 20 MHz).  If you want to know 
>>>>>>>> 5150-5250,
>>>>>>>> that wasn’t even available under the old rules.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I could be wrong, but that’s my understanding.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 14, 2015 2:54 PM
>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] current 5ghz chart
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is there a current printable chart online I can see for printing as
>>>>>>>> reference for EIRP rules
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team
>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
>>
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