That’s my complaint too. That cost is coming way down, so for less than $100 I can stick one of those UBNT micro cameras all over inside the building and even cabinets.
But then, people just show up in masks. I thought about moving the cameras out more along the perimeter of the property too, to get car ID, even license plates at near ground level. But that’s hard to power. Maybe those remote posted, battery operated deer cameras? If the site is visited often enough, you could swap out the SD cards. Except they could be stolen if found. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras I have never gotten any usable evidence that could be used to ID a guy from cameras. So far they have told us what happened, when it happened and how many people, but ID has not been possible. ________________________________ From: "Rory Conaway" <r...@triadwireless.net<mailto:r...@triadwireless.net>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 1:49:44 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras PTZ cameras with auto-tracking have a lot of value because pixels can only do so much over optical zoom. We worked with software that controlled the PTZ’s once a target was identified. The problem in the past with PTZ’s was that the resolution was usually lower than fixed cameras. That’s not really an issue any longer but resolution is king when it goes to court. If you can’t clearly identify someone, it’s pretty much useless as prosecutorial evidence. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Brett A Mansfield Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:16 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras +1! I'd buy that for sure! Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Oct 31, 2015, at 11:09 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net<mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: I could see in the day of limited capacity DVRs, hwether by tape\hard drive size or by number of encoders, but with cheap SAS storage and cheap IP cameras, not sure PTZ is really needed. If you want to control something, maybe we need to incorporate a drone launcher into a camera system and feed it's video in. ;-) ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> ________________________________ From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 11:58:45 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras I've never seen a good case for PTZ. Why not just put up another camera for less money? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 31, 2015 12:56 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: UBNT is priced right and it does what I need. It was easy to install and has great features. The NVR is really slick. Yes, I would love PTZ or a way to mount it on PTZ but I don’t want to spend the money for that. I have tried the panasonic PTZ built into the camera, it is OK but the video quality left something to be desired. I love the tiny UBNT thing that is about the size of a small door knob. Talks to you via wifi and has audio. Only needs power and something to stick it to. From: Sorin Esanu<mailto:so...@evox.ro> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 10:51 AM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras I want a different camera because: - ubnt might not make it with the lens I want - ubnt might not make the camera I need. Having one "in the works" is a joke, not an answer to my potential problem - ubnt is not on this list http://www.onvif.org/About/AlphabeticalMemberList.aspx and that might be important as far as inter-operating with others (reasons: existing hardware on the premises, request from client). On 10/31/2015 4:09 PM, Brett A Mansfield wrote: I can read a license plate on any camera depending on the location and configuration. To say the UBNT product is not a professional product is both naive and simply an opinion. Just because you cannot use a third party product with it doesn't mean it's not a professional product. And I'll bet UBNT has a camera in the works with tilt, pan and zoom. UBNT was designed to be simple to install and quick to deploy. It was also designed to just work. Their cameras are by far the best cameras and NVR I've been able to find on the market. Nothing else I've found is as seamless. I don't know why you would want a 3rd party camera with it to be honest. Their cameras are really good. I'm not saying that UBNT is the best in every environment, but they are for most in my opinion. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:16 AM, Sorin Esanu <so...@evox.ro<mailto:so...@evox.ro>> wrote: It's something wrong with your setup, because I can read plates in the dark without any issue. We are not comparing apples with apples here. Hikvision is professional product (like many others on the market). Ubnt is not. Can you install a 3rd party PTZ/Speeddome camera on Ubnt system if needed? I am talking here about _integrating_ it with the Ubnt software. On 10/30/2015 11:47 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: It didn’t do the seamless NVR like UBNT. For a single stand alone it was OK but it still cannot see a truck license plate in the dark. From: TJ Trout<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 3:44 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras Ubnt stuff is unreliable. What didn't you like about the Hikvision? Probably just a setting, stuff is flawless On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: You should take a look at the new UBNT stuff. I also tried Hikvision recently and I like the UBNT stuff better. From: TJ Trout<mailto:t...@voltbb.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:42 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras I've been doing professional cctv contracting for 10 years and I've never been more impressed with a product's price/performance than Hikvision On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: Or I can blame them for wasting my time and taking my money when they clearly had nothing worth selling. On 10/30/2015 2:06 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Like if you want to compare helicopters to potatoes. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 30, 2015 1:59 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: Sure I can. On 10/30/2015 1:57 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: You can't blame a vendor for a crappy product if they're replaced it with a product that isn't crappy. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange http://www.midwest-ix.com [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> ________________________________ From: "Sorin Esanu" mailto:so...@evox.ro To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 12:48:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras Please compare the specs and see what they can do and cannot do. As far as how it compares with Ubnt, I've tested as some point the unifi video cameras and they were pretty bad as far as quality, lacking some basic features (IR filter). It seemed to me like a beta product that should have never be release to the public. As I understand they refined it, but still, Hikvision is big, with a lot of experience in making just video surveillance products. Even so, our Hikvision fleet serves us well and I would not go with Ubnt. There is also the issue with interoperability: Hikvision cameras are supported on countless surveillance software and hardware (NVRs); Hikvision NVRs are supporting countless other cameras (other manufacturers) and even ONVIF and RTSP. That gives you the possibility to install a 3rd party product, in case you need it. I don't know if you can say that about Ubnt. Is that important? Well... if you have 1-2 cameras, probably no. When you go to larger projects, absolutely. Access control system that interconnect with video surveillance, professional analytics software, ONVIF support... I like Ubnt as far as radios, but that's where it stops for me. On 10/30/2015 6:33 PM, Tushar Patel wrote: > I am new to this so I have question, when you say following: > >> + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx > What does it mean to us? > > To me any camera with good quality where you can see faces and/or license > plate and record it or send via email etc. > > So what does the mentioned camera does more which grandstream and/or ubnt > does not? > > Thanks, > > Tushar > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sorin Esanu > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 10:30 AM > To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Security cameras > > Hikvision DS-2CD2632F-I(S) or DS-2CD2732F-I(S) > + cheap > + real surveillance camera vs things like Granstream or Ubnt 3Mpx > + varifocal on board microSD for recording (you do not need NVR!) very > + good video quality IR included, pretty efective for distances up to > + 10m (their marketing > says 30m. BS!) > + app for mobile, tablet, pc. I can be used for live view or search > recordings on SD camera > + POE & 12VDC > > - DWDR, but I guess you cannot ask for true WDR in a 200$ camera > > It's basically one of the cheapest true surveillance cameras you can get for > ~$200. You can get them even cheaper than that, if you get quantity. > They are also selling very nice NVRs, with decent prices, that can work > flawless with their cameras. > > > > On 10/30/2015 3:05 PM, Lewis Bergman wrote: >> I am constructing a new building and I need a security camera system >> which has DVR functionality and be remotely reachable, preferably via >> mobile. I have had the cheap QSee Sams system and although functional >> it is a pretty big disappointment from most perspectives. >> I know a lot of people use and install these. >> >> Are there any suggestions for systems?
