Whoa. I want to stay out but Bush got us into Iraq when Afghanistan was were we needed to be all along. Even his dad has stated that and facts have shown this was a mistake plus helped leave vacuum filled by Isil ....I take this very personally as my son served in Iraq and tells me it was wrong. Now he is in and out of hospital and rehab clinics dealing with PTSD and other symptoms. Obama inherited this mess. No easy solution when dealing with fanatics...any kind....look at KKK and other hate groups here in USA. Its a tough reality. God bless us all. On Nov 15, 2015 9:18 AM, "Mathew Howard" <mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have to agree... even if we had stayed in Iraq, there wouldn't be a > stable democracy, it just isn't going to work in that part of the world. > Six brutal dictators probably would be just about the only way to stabilize > the mess. Either that, or we go back and occupy it... forever, which I > don't think many people would want to do. > > On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 8:04 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I am no Obama or Hillary fan but I don't think staying would have been >> all that different in the end. Everyone has failed at peace in the middle >> East. Everyone will fail. I honestly don't understand why everyone keeps >> trying. In my opinion the best thing is what you mentioned. >> We should get with Russia, since they have the inside line on dictators, >> and find about six really brutal people to take over the middle East. >> Judging from our Iran experiment we could get maybe forty years of peace. >> >> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:53 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >> wrote: >> >>> We had our chance to stop it in Iraq, we cut and run. >>> >>> >>> >>> And you are right, we didn’t do the right bombing in Vietnam to stop >>> that war. And what Ford did at the end is the lesson Obama should have >>> learned which could have prevented much of what happened in the Middle East >>> including ISIS. Apparently they didn’t teach history to at Harvard. >>> Imagine the influence a multi-cultural and stable Iraqi government would >>> have had on the region. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman >>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 15, 2015 6:31 AM >>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >>> français >>> >>> >>> >>> Collateral damage is highly underrated. Vietnam had no wholesale bombing >>> like WWII. that is one reason Vietnam, and the rest of these conflicts, >>> last so long. >>> >>> The horror of war has to be brought to everyone, including those making >>> the decisions, to bring it to an end. >>> >>> But having said that, this Muslim extremists movement has been been >>> going on for about 700 years so it may be to much to expect to be out of >>> war again. There may be a lull, but I think the entire world has been drawn >>> into the middle East quagmire. >>> >>> The primary cause damn sure isn't a two degrees warming tend in a couple >>> decades. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 15, 2015, 7:05 AM Rory Conaway <r...@triadwireless.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> The problem is that they are basically imbedded with civilians. How do >>> you kill them without taking out everyone else. That is the problem we >>> have had all along. Door-to-door warfare is all that you can do but it’s >>> also the most dangerous for our soldiers and nobody is going to allow >>> wholesale bombing like Nixon did in Vietnam. >>> >>> >>> >>> We also burned a lot of good will in all the countries we need to do >>> this with when we got the local civilians to act as translators and >>> informants and abandoned them after the war, the highest profile of them >>> the doctor in Pakistan. Even he is still in jail years later but the >>> reality is, nobody trusts us any more in those regions. We are not a >>> reliable ally. >>> >>> >>> >>> Rory >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 11:06 AM >>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >>> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >>> français >>> >>> >>> >>> as much as i hate war and killing....I agree we need to make a parking >>> lot out of them... >>> >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> Wireless Systems Architect >>> >>> 915-861-1390 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Nov 14, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>> >>> The more of this that happens, the more the rest of the world will unite >>> to rub them out. I am a hopeless optimist. >>> >>> >>> >>> *From:* Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2015 7:52 AM >>> >>> *To:* Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG][WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis >>> français >>> >>> >>> >>> Yes. I am praying for them and the world. What a tragedy.. It is >>> beyond barbaric..its evil for the sake of evil. >>> >>> Jaime Solorza >>> >>> On Nov 13, 2015 10:15 PM, "Faisal Imtiaz" <fai...@snappytelecom.net> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Oui , et pas seulement cela , nos cœurs et nos prières pour tous ceux >>> qui sont touchés par cette Sensless actes brabaric . >>> >>> >>> >>> Faisal Imtiaz >>> >>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>> Miami, FL 33155 >>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 >>> >>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> *From: *"Patrick Leary" <patrick.le...@telrad.com> >>> *To: *"WISPA General List" <wirel...@wispa.org>, "Telrad List" < >>> tel...@wispa.org>, af@afmug.com, memb...@canwisp.ca >>> *Sent: *Friday, November 13, 2015 7:46:29 PM >>> *Subject: *[WISPA] S'il vous plaît priez pour nos amis français >>> >>> Tonght, chaque personne libre est un Parisien. >>> >>> >>> >>> Patrick Leary >>> >>> Telrad >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ************************************************************************************ >>> This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by >>> PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & >>> computer viruses. >>> >>> ************************************************************************************ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> wirel...@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> >
