My personal opinion is that vSphere is dominant, but mainly because I'm
familiar with it and it's proven in our environment (we run 150+ hosts).
Getting all of the 'enterprise' features is not cheap.  We also run Hyper-V
on an even larger number of hosts and it seems to work well.  If I was to
look at an alternative for personal or small business use, I would probably
look at oVirt or Xenserver.

If the OP is looking at 1-2 hosts and no HA/live migration (no matter what
the hypervisor), the best (eg, cheapest and fastest) choice is probably to
stick with local storage.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Mike Hammett <[email protected]> wrote:

> I think Windows shops primarily use vSphere and Hyper-V (I know others can
> be used, but they aren't the majority). Linux shops use ESXi and {insert
> one of dozens of other virtualization systems here}. I use ProxMox and
> vSphere. ProxMox 4 moved from OpenVZ to LXC, which is supported in
> mainstream kernels vs. using an ancient kernel. Oddly enough, I went from
> OpenVZ to Proxmox several years ago (eight?) around version 1. I went to
> vSphere four or five years ago and lately I've added ProxMox back into the
> mix (though not primary).
>
>
> I'm a fan of auto-tiered storage. Big (compared to all flash), cheap
> (well, relative to all flash) and fast (compared to spinning disks).
>
>
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> *From: *"Paul Stewart" <[email protected]>
> *To: *[email protected]
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 30, 2015 8:22:24 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] VMWare Etc
>
> Interesting views… and in my opinion they are all correct to some degree.
> What I mean, and was mentioned at some point, is that everyone has
> different requirements.
>
>
>
> Our requirements center around scaling (something that Ryan is pointing
> out here) where for his needs and budget ESXi is the best choice possibly.
>   Support would be nice option to have for us but much less important as we
> have expertise on staff.  The other extremely important thing for us is
> redundancy and fault tolerance.  At the extreme, we can accept a few
> seconds of node downtime should a hardware failure occur – this sets pretty
> aggressive demands on a virtualized environment in my opinion.  Then we are
> into some of the more obvious stuff regarding multiple OS support,
> centralized management, backup strategy etc
>
>
>
> For storage design, there are several approaches from slow and bulky
> storage right up to super fast, extreme IOPS storage for high transactional
> rates.
>
>
>
> Most of our current expertise lies in Hyper-V and Proxmox. The Hyper-V
> environment will remain untouched (mostly used in development environment)
> but our Proxmox environment will be slowly migrated to Citrix Xen Server
> (open source).  Some of the folks involved took a look at a Citrix Xen
> Server and felt the learning curve was very minimal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Ryan Ray
> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:14 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VMWare Etc
>
>
>
> If you think you are going to spend more time learning ESXi vs any other
> product I think you'll be surprised.
>
>
>
> The rest of those things like dedupe, compression, design storage etc
> apply to any virtualization in general and has nothing to do with the
> product you use.
>
>
>
> Just to give a frame of reference I manage about 100 ESXi nodes, 8
> vCenters across 4 data centers almost 20TB of ram in everything. On top of
> that we run a 2000 seat VDI environment using View. The time I've spent
> with Prox, Xen, Hyper-v has always lead me back to VMware as long as you
> have the money.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> You make this statement like there aren't things to learn about
> non-open-source products, which is a pretty silly argument IMO.
>
> Knowing when to dedupe, what compression to use, design storage
> strategy, optimizing IO for throughput vs latency vs price, vs bulk
> storage, best performance settings for different types of hosts /
> services... similar things to learn between products.
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Ryan Ray <[email protected]> wrote:
> > See, this is always my problem when these types of threads come up. Sure,
> > Xen is free, as long as you spend the hours and hours it takes to learn
> the
> > system and maintain it. Your time isn't free. I don't know how much time
> you
> > have to dink around with your hypervisor but my time can definitely be
> > better spent anywhere else. Large companies use this technology because
> with
> > their team of engineers on staff to maintain and evolve it it gets them
> the
> > flexibility they need to run their services. Your small business running
> 6
> > vm's doesn't need this.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Eric Kuhnke <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is just my opinion: Disregard VMWare and use a Linux based
> hypervisor
> >> with Xen. You can use either PV (paravirtualized) or HVM (hardware
> >> virtualized) guests on the same hypervisor.
> >>
> >> My typical hypervisor setup is Debian Jessie AMD64 and the latest Xen.
> >>
> >> Xen is what powers Amazon EC2 and a bunch of other services. It has a
> >> learning curve but is very much worth it. Everything is free, whether
> GPL,
> >> Apache or BSD licensed.
> >>
> >> On Mon, Dec 28, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Matt <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Is there a free version of VMWare?  What are limitations vs paid?  How
> >>> do you manage containers?  Does it support software raid?  Does it
> >>> have scheduled backup capabilities?  How does it compare to Proxmox?
> >>>
> >>> I have a few linux centos servers: directadmin, email, DNS, speedtest,
> >>> mysql database and box running lots of perl scripts to monitor my
> >>> network.  Would like to move them all to data center on one box and a
> >>> second box there to shove backups on.
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
>

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