Yea, AT&T got deregulated in the state of KY. http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/ky-legislature/2015/03/02/att-bill-final-passage/24287265/
Regards, Chuck On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:55 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > No this forbearance issue is tied to the larger carriers wanting to > discontinue service to the remote and hard to reach areas. Larger carriers > – price cap carriers- don’t get as much welfare as the smaller carriers – > rate of return- carriers. Price caps have less regulation and more freedom > to set rates as long as they stay under their price caps. Verizon wanted > to totally abandon areas that were ruined by storm flooding and the FCC > said they still have a “duty to serve” as a “common carrier”. > > Frontier is kinda between the big price cap companies and the smaller ROR > companies. They asked for permission to skip over some of the harder to > reach areas with improvements. FCC said no. > > Almost all telcos would like to be released from the duty to provide > dialtone. It makes our product more expensive when we have to bundle it > with POTS service. The day will come when we can, but that day is not here > yet. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:48 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > Is that what this article is about? Something about USTelecom and an FCC > December forbearance decision regarding USF. I wasn’t able to decipher the > lingo: > > > http://www.fiercetelecom.com/story/frontier-says-it-costs-over-1b-carriers-provide-rural-voice-services/2016-01-15 > > > *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:20 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > The FCC is fixin’ to do some drastic cutting of corporate welfare. There > is a “bifurcation” order expected any day now drawing a line in the sand. > Any investment prior to a certain date will be supported until the asset is > fully depreciated. Any future investment will be supported under new rules > that are not nearly as generous. Eventually the dole will be eliminated > for almost all telcos. > > *From:* Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 12:16 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > I wonder if Frontier’s acquisitions from Verizon and AT&T came with IP > space. > > The other day, I was thinking about the fact that they have been paying > something like $2000 per customer, and then complaining they need CAF > subsidies because it is too expensive to serve these customers. Well, duh, > maybe you paid too much? > > If Verizon and AT&T were losing money on these customers, and big capital > expenditures were needed to upgrade infrastructure, why is the selling > price so high? And not closer to free if you take this money pit off my > hands? > > It seems like future government subsidies are built into the valuation. > Of course, we know what Verizon and AT&T need the money for ... to buy more > wireless spectrum at government auctions. > > > *From:* Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 11:07 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great,now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > Definitely have seen a lot of valuation in companies recently due to their > IP space – in fact I’ve seen several companies that got bought only for > their IP space in the past while (the company wasn’t in good shape but had > large blocks of IP’s included). > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Cassidy B. Larson > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 20, 2016 9:16 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > So if you’re looking to sell your WISP, make sure to value your IPs > accordingly.. Or don’t include them as part of the sale, hold onto them for > a few years while they go up in value and sell them later? Might be better > returns than your IRA :) > > > > Interesting fact, Charter sold a local cable plant to TDS and TDS in > taking over had to bring their own IPs. The sale of the customers and > assets did NOT include the IPs. > > > > -c > > > > On Jan 20, 2016, at 7:08 AM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > http://www.ipv4auctions.com/ > > > > .. is a popular marketplace for IPv4. No, it's not cheap. > > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> > wrote: > > Grey market vendors are fine, that's where everybody else is getting > theirs. $10/ip > > On Jan 19, 2016 11:57 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> > wrote: > > Yeah, I wish I could get IPv4. > > > > But I can’t. > > > > ARIN won’t give it to me, this fiber company started in 2013 so there was > no way to obtain it. > > I have IPv6 assigned ARIN space, so I guess I’ll start using that as much > as possible to avoid crap like this. > > I’m sure that comes with its own problems though. > > > > I can get all the cheap IPv4 I want from this data center. > > But the IP space probably originally came from Saudi Arabia or some > foreign country, lol! > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Kuhnke > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 9:14 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > Netflix is dramatically less likely to blacklist your blocks (AND take > your correspondence seriously) if you announce your own IP space. From > Netflix's perspective, blocks that are also used by a datacenter/colo space > are more likely to contain VPN endpoints. > > I don't think they care about what the SWIP info shows. > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 6:49 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> > wrote: > > It may be that. > > > > I get my IPv4 from a data center. > > They are my upstream provider. > > The blocks are SWIPed to my company though. > > > > I had to submit information to Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com and a few others a > year ago because suddenly they all had me on some unknown blacklist at the > same time. > > > > All of those providers have now white-listed my blocks and I no longer > have issues (except maybe Vudu, who were really hard to get that done). > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:22 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > If you don’t have direct allocation from ARIN, where are your blocks > from? That may be part of the story. > > > > *From:* Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 7:56 PM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > Except that I’m not on VPN or proxy. > > > > So they have wrongly allocated or listed my blocks as proxy/VPN. > > > > Doesn’t that break net neutrality for me? > > Not that the FCC is going to do anything about it. > > > > I just got off the phone. They asked me to email them my ASN, upstream and > details. > > > > Hopefully they pull their heads out and get this working. > > > > Not like I can request a IPv4 block directly from ARIN. > > I DID that and they denied saying they have no more. > > > > So I’m stuck without their help. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *timothy steele > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 6:48 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Great, now Netflix customers are calling ME for > blocked Netflix > > > > Netflix is working on banning all proxy and most VPN users was on Engadget > over a month ago there content providers are forcing them so when there > telling you nothing they can do to help there telling the truth > > > > On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, 8:37 PM Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: > > Also reach out to Netflix on twitter, tell them you are a US ISP and your > users are having issues watching content > > On Jan 19, 2016 7:25 PM, "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> > wrote: > > Try NANOG? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > On Jan 19, 2016 8:23 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> wrote: > > Anyone else start getting these calls today? > > My personal Netflix, on the same public IP block, seems to still work. > > But several of my customers are now calling in saying their Netflix is > VPN, Proxy or using an Unblocker. > > Netflix is denying any sort of fix or solution for these customers, > blaming it on the ISP. > > I'm sick of this crap. > > The customers don't care, they will just drop the ISP and get another, > probably with IP blocks that aren't 'blacklisted' as VPN, or going through > a datacenter. > > I had the same problem with Hulu, Vudu, ABC.com Disney.com and several > others. > > Fortunately, all of those companies, except Vudu, fixed my problem by > whitelisting my IPs. > > Vudu took a long time but I think I finally got a hold of the correct team > of engineers and they fixed it. > > On the phone now with Netflix rep and one of her first questions was, > "What is a public IP block?" > > :( > > > > > > >
