You're absolutely right... For clarification, what I mean by that is experienced network operators know the process. Feature testing, budgeting, support test, lab interop, etc - all to meet the budget for the business use case.
No vendor should be immune to this methodology, and best is often the enemy of good. On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Paul Stewart <p...@paulstewart.org> wrote: > It's also a matter of experience in the field - I mean this in general, not > in direct response... > > What I mean is ... I've seen/used "cheap GPON gear" ... some of it had no > english lettering on it. Complete shit - high failure rates, buggy software, > support that didn't exist ... even names like Zhone get dropped and the > first thing people say is "wow, that stuff is so cheap!" and then you > actually talk to the technical people who have to troubleshoot issues, do > interop testing with Metaswitch or other voice platforms, try and push > multicast video through it for IPTV and everything starts to go to hell ... > > Then Calix, Adtran etc gear ... pretty good stuff, limited bugs, and support > that is pretty solid. > > My experience to date... obviously as mentioned everyone has a different > need/want/budget ... > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds > Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 11:53 PM > To: af@afmug.com > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active or GPon? > > The cost is stupid. I know some of the other platforms don't have all of the > same bells and whistles, but if you're still able to do the same features to > end users, they don't know and won't care. > > You also said something very, very important. "They are the biggest gpon > vendor *in the US*". Calix made a very important acquisition a few years back > when they bought Occam, which was a smart move. > > Some people buy PMP4xx. Some people buy UBNT (and more units are sold). > > Some people buy Calix. Some people buy Huawei, or $vendor (and more units are > sold). > > All have their places. > > On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 10:37 PM, Craig Schmaderer <cr...@skywaveconnect.com> > wrote: >> If you are thinking about GPON, I would totally go with Calix. They >> are the biggest gpon vendor in the US, and they have a tone of new >> onts that came out. Indoor units with just Ethernet, or built in ac >> routers. Their stuff is the bomb. >> >> >> >> Craig R. Schmaderer >> >> CEO | Skywave Wireless, Inc. >> >> Ph: 402-372-1975 | Fax: 402-372-1058 >> >> Direct: 402-372-1052 >> >> >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Andreas Wiatowski >> Sent: Friday, February 12, 2016 9:31 PM >> >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active or GPon? >> >> >> >> So, I understand the benefits of GPon ... What brand would you consider? >> ... I have been looking at Alphion. Huawei seems like a good option... >> But much more expensive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> ______________________________ >> >> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO >> >> Silo Wireless Inc. >> >> Email andr...@silowireless.com >> >> 19 Sage Court >> >> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) >> >> Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free >> +1.866.727.4138 >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> >> From: Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> >> Date: 2016-02-12 10:21 PM (GMT-05:00) >> >> To: af@afmug.com >> >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Active or GPon? >> >> >> >> You realize the transport core to the gpon OLT chassis is still active >> fiber in many designs, right? I also am unsure if you are aware of the >> upgrade process to NG-PON2 - you can run it on the same fiber strand >> as your existing PON split. Add the new card into the chassis and move >> the split over to the new SFP. Upgrade the customers at your leisure. >> >> On Feb 12, 2016 9:13 PM, "Eric Kuhnke" <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Key part there is, is going to be... is it available or shipping now? >> If somebody wants to start a build now, the choice is between GPON or active. >> >> Having an active fiber path, even with just one strand (for BiDi >> optics) gives you a nearly infinite lifespan of the installed light >> path and cable plant, if things are maintained correctly. With a >> dedicated light path from each powered network node to the customer >> you could upgrade to active-E 10, then 40, then 100Gbps someday. Yes >> we will see customers with 10GbE optics in the next ten years. And >> maybe in 20 or 30 years from now it'll be cheap and easy to connect >> each customer with an SFP-sized coherent QPSK 100GbE optic at each end. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote: >> >> 10-40Gbps on NG-PON2 is going to be the real deal, and betting against >> it vs active ethernet at scale for residential service is just... >> dumb, to be honest (IMO). >> >> The size of your backbone ends up being monstrous with active, as well >> as having to keep the cabinets powered, UPS+batteries, enclosurers >> maintained, etc. PON is simply so much cheaper are scale, and in >> residential every dollar counts. >> >> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 8:56 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> I did forget to mention that I'm firmly on the side of activeE being >>> the best choice, for one big reason... You can use all kinds of >>> SFP-based equipment (24/48-port 1U switches) or chassis based >>> switches and routers with 24/48-port blades from a huge variety of >>> manufacturers. >>> >>> There's a lot of 48-port SFP stuff out there on the grey/refurb/used >>> market that came out of datacenters, and no longer meets the >>> bandwidth needs for people who are doing 10GbE (or 2x10GbE) to each >>> bare metal hypervisor. But that same equipment is perfect for >>> activeE. >>> >>> Same idea as a Cisco 3750G-48 is no longer enough bandwidth for >>> 1000BaseT to the server in colo environments, but is perfect for MDU >>> use. >>> >>> >>> GPON/EPON/whateverPON is all a mess of manufacturer proprietary CPEs >>> and non-interoperable stuff. Whereas with activeE and a real ethernet >>> port for each customer you can use $30 media converters as your demarc. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 12, 2016 at 4:53 PM, Andreas Wiatowski >>> <andr...@silowireless.com> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Looking to do my first ftth for about 110 homes. >>>> If I do active, what switch platform would you use for sfp in >>>> cabinet and in home router/cabinet. >>>> >>>> If GPon, what vendor would you choose that is cost >>>> effective/reliable >>>> >>>> I understand the full limitations of GPon.. But I feel it is an >>>> attractive proposition compared to active... And the few systems I >>>> have seen have a road map to faster olt access. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> ______________________________ >>>> >>>> Andreas Wiatowski | CEO >>>> >>>> Silo Wireless Inc. >>>> >>>> Email andr...@silowireless.com >>>> >>>> 19 Sage Court >>>> >>>> Brantford, Ontario N3R 7T4 (CANADA) >>>> >>>> Tel +1.519.449.5656 Extension-600|Fax +1.519.449.5536 |Toll Free >>>> +1.866.727.4138 >>> >>> >> >> >
