No offense meant, I just like kicking around the philosophy ball with folks
that have opposing points of view. Only way I learn things.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:57 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
I'm pulling back from this discussion. It's a no-win, and there are other hills
I'd rather die on.
Picking my battles so to speak.
On Mar 13, 2016 11:50 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
If I have a strong feeling that the guy in the sky that created all of us
hates the murder of babies, yes I will try to stop that via legislation. How
is that persecution? Just trying to carry out the wishes of the boss. He has
promised me a pretty nice apartment if I give it a good try.
Persecution?
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 10:46 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
So you wish to force your religious beliefs on others via legislation, in a
country created to escape persecution from religion?
On Mar 13, 2016 11:38 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Here is why a churches need to be involved with reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion.
If you believe there is a God, Creator, Savior etc.
>Then if you believe that entity cares about these things (listed above).
>>Then if you believe that the mind of that entity has communicated its
wishes with man.
>>>Then if you believe that those wishes are contained in doctrine of
churches or bodies of scripture.
>>>>Then the church and its doctrine trumps all laws of man.
The church needs to be involved in all facets of life. If you believe the
above.
You can claim to be agnostic or atheistic but a smart person should hedge
their bets against actually not knowing that they are totally right about that.
Could be that every time you eat spaghetti you are committing a mortal sin.
Could be.
For me and mine, I will take my particular flavor of Christianity and do my
thing, while you do your thing.
But if I have an opportunity to legislate away things I consider mortal
sins, I will try.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:54 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion?
Those are medical issues.
On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:
Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on every
corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable.
My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually
upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about poor people
having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See this if you forgot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy
I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also
extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less abortions.
Which is the lesser evil?
I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially
“other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think.
On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:
Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here.
I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of
gay people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right
telling them what they can or can't do.
Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not
so sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who had
"come out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than her mommy
we thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it could still screw
with a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage".
It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to
hell in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things have gone
to hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the family while dad
goes to work?
I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty
much got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of other
non-government-funded entities who can do that work.
Any tax is bad :)
I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Reynolds
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
His stances:
Gay marriage is wrong
He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple
Defund planned parenthood
Raising corporate tax is bad
Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles.
Wants to drill in ANWR
Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy.
Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees.
Votes for PATRIOT act over and over
Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us
citizens
Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child
healthcare
"Let's build a fence!"
Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received
hospital treatment
Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me.
On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush.
I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed.
There were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget.
Seemed like the same old voodoo economics.
So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is
supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care of the
protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the world, I’m
not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. Hell, Bernie
could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the photo of the
“kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure.
http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he
appeared on the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call
him my "man crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about
him Ken.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even
More AfterChicago Violence
I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up
with them, I'm
not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out
one person
as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it
would be Mitch
McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried
about their own
power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad
bunch.
I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his
politics, but I like
what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to
see if they
are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I
don't think
we will get to find out, election politics seem to have
rendered him
irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced
with someone
actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative
goals could
have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to
make Obama
fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform?
Modifications to
Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration
reform? Mitch
doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem
with the
establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected
and staying in
power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be
clear, I'm
not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just
McConnell is
the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV
I feel he is
giving me the finger.
I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different,
but I don't
think we'll find out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even
More After
Chicago Violence
IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to
the right.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left.
Everybody's idea
> of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll
make a deal.
