In my opinion they (the church) aren't far from families in need, need food,
need education, need emotional support.
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Reynolds
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Why does any church need to be involved with reproductive care,
contraception, or abortion?
Those are medical issues.
On Mar 13, 2016 6:48 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:
Actually, my belief is here in the deep south we have a church on every
corner. Let the churches handle it....they are more than capable.
My tax dollars aren't needed for this. (or many other things)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
What many people who lose sleep over Planned Parenthood are actually
upset about is they offer birth control. Some people obsess about poor people
having sex without the punishment of getting pregnant. See this if you forgot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh%E2%80%93Sandra_Fluke_controversy
I don’t understand how you can be extremely anti-abortion yet also
extremely anti-contraception. Less unwanted pregnancies = less abortions.
Which is the lesser evil?
I think it comes down to some people are obsessed with sex, especially
“other” people having sex. #nosyneighbors #getalife
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:48 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
Did you research that video? You should. It's not what you think.
On Mar 13, 2016 5:41 PM, "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
wrote:
Yah, i'm kind of like Chuck here.
I don't care about gay marriage. I'm not gay, I know a handful of gay
people. Not my cup of tea but the government doesn't have any right telling
them what they can or can't do.
Same with adoption for a gay couple - shut up gov'mt. Now, I'm not so
sure on that. When I was growing up there were few gay couples who had "come
out" and we thought if the girl had a different last name than her mommy we
thought that was odd. Quite a bit different now but it could still screw with
a kids head in terms of "traditional marriage".
It would be hard to NOT state that traditional marriage has gone to
hell in this country. But then again, so many "traditional" things have gone
to hell. How many women stay at home and take care of the family while dad
goes to work?
I am in favor of defunding planned parenthood. The videos pretty much
got to me. It's MY TAX DOLLARS. Defund it. There are plenty of other
non-government-funded entities who can do that work.
Any tax is bad :)
I'm going to stop there, i will get in trouble... lol
----- Original Message -----
From: Josh Reynolds
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
His stances:
Gay marriage is wrong
He doesn't support adoption for a gay couple
Defund planned parenthood
Raising corporate tax is bad
Voted yes for more sentencing and prosecution for juveniles.
Wants to drill in ANWR
Voted no on tax credits for renewable energy.
Voted no on 4 weeks paid parental leave for federal employees.
Votes for PATRIOT act over and over
Voted to allow warantless electronic surveillance against us citizens
Denied additional funding that would provide expanded child healthcare
"Let's build a fence!"
Voted NO on reporting / deporting illegal immigrants who received
hospital treatment
Etc. A few things I like him on, but mostly he's a "nope" for me.
On Mar 13, 2016 4:46 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
Hey, I said I liked him. Just not full on man crush.
I didn’t see how his math added up for the budgets he proposed.
There were some missing pages where magic happened to balance the budget.
Seemed like the same old voodoo economics.
So “man crush”, is that like Trump and Putin? At least Putin is
supposedly an 8th degree black belt. He would probably take care of the
protester himself. If Trump thinks he can bully the Putins of the world, I’m
not so sure. I think McCain could take him in a fair fight. Hell, Bernie
could probably take him. I was never fond of Nixon, but the photo of the
“kitchen debate” with Khrushchev is a treasure.
http://spectator.org/articles/41740/how-handle-bully-nixon-vs-khrushchev
From: CBB - Jay Fuller
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 4:19 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Paul Ryan
I have actually followed Paul Ryan since the first time he appeared
on the national stage. Very impressed with him. Could almost call him my "man
crush". I'd be interested in hearing what you do not like about him Ken.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken Hohhof
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 2:04 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even
More AfterChicago Violence
I think the "establishment" is missing why people are fed up with
them, I'm
not convinced it's about left or right. If I had to single out
one person
as the poster boy for why the establishment has failed us, it
would be Mitch
McConnell. All 4 leaders in Congress have only been worried
about their own
power and re-election, but McConnell is the worst of a bad bunch.
I don't agree with Paul Ryan's economics or some of his politics,
but I like
what he has said since being elected Speaker. I would like to
see if they
are just words, or if he would translate them into actions. I
don't think
we will get to find out, election politics seem to have rendered
him
irrelevant. And Mitch the Turtle would have to be replaced with
someone
actually interested in governing. I wonder what conservative
goals could
have been accomplished in the 7 years Mitch has spent trying to
make Obama
fail no matter how much damage it causes. Tort reform?
Modifications to
Obamacare? Fix sequestration? Tax reform? Immigration reform?
Mitch
doesn't care. Mitch cares about Mitch. That's the problem with
the
establishment, they spend all their effort on getting elected and
staying in
power, they don't even pretend to do their job. And let me be
clear, I'm
not saying Pelosi, Reid and Boehner were much better, it's just
McConnell is
the most blatant hack of the bunch, every time I see him on TV I
feel he is
giving me the finger.
I am probably fooling myself that Paul Ryan would be different,
but I don't
think we'll find out.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2016 1:40 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Donald Trump's Supporters Love Him Even
More After
Chicago Violence
IMO, Obama moved right, and the Republicans moved further to the
right.
bp
<part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
On 3/13/2016 6:01 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
> Obama moved right as much as the Republicans moved left.
Everybody's idea
> of compromise these days is you come to where I am and I'll
make a deal.
