That’s pretty old news though. Huawei is so big now, probably other companies
are ripping off their stuff. And with communications gear based mostly on open
standards, open source software, the same chipsets, it comes down to packaging,
manufacturing, sales and service. And the manufacturing is all the same too.
Or like Faisal points out, sometimes everything is the same except the label
and the price.
I remember when I was a kid everyone saying Japanese radios, cameras and cars
were low quality copies of American (or German) stuff. And that the most
famous Russian inventor was named “REGUSPATOFF”.
From: Jason McKemie
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:10 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
When it comes to Huawei I'm more referring to them just outright ripping other
companies' products off - not so much software backdoors (many other companies
do that).
On Sunday, March 20, 2016, Faisal Imtiaz <fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote:
Oh grow up, get a grip.....
The Chinese MFG are eating everyone's lunch.... all over the world.
The American and European MFG, are (Screwing) all the American and European
Companies like crazy on the premium pricing which is totally unchecked... (Why
does a SFP+ cost $65 from China and $1500 from Cisco etc ?)
And telling stories that create FUD to have folks keep away from doing
business with the overseas mfg. pays quiet well...
Let's flip this argument for a moment... Do you think that Cisco / Alcatel /
Lucent / etc etc don't have some sort of backdoor built into their products for
the US/EU governments ?
Why are you worried about an international gov. snooping in your tiny
piss-any network, when any gov. can already do so ?
Do business with who you like, and don't with who you don't like.... it's
totally your choice....
But at the end of the day, when the Gov is involved, irrespective of which
one... you have to bring your own jar of Vaseline, and they don't kiss in the
morning !
Faisal Imtiaz
Snappy Internet & Telecom
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From: "Ken Hohhof" <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');>
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 2:22:11 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
They may be able to sell some of that here domestically, since one of the
presidential candidates suggested “closing that Internet up in some way”.
From: Josh Reynolds
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 1:00 PM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
You are familiar with Cisco developing products to aid in China's internet
snooping and repression, right?
On Mar 20, 2016 12:16 PM, "Ken Hohhof"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@kwisp.com');> wrote:
Recent article raises suspicions Huawei violated Iran sanctions.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/19/technology/zte-document-raises-questions-about-huawei-and-sanctions.html?_r=0
Although expecting Chinese companies to obey our sanctions against Iran
and not use tricks to get around them is probably unrealistic. But it’s a
little humorous reading how ZTE copied the tricks of an unnamed company that is
clearly Huawei.
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2016 11:44 AM
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Some of it is bull, but the blatant duplication of Cisco is indisputable.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
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From: "Josh Reynolds"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@kyneticwifi.com');>
To: javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com');
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 6:44:02 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
Has anybody taken a look at the number of government employees China has
by any chance? What about the number of DoD and general federal workforce? Do
those members of the workforce - do their policies and beliefs fall 100% in
line with things the government as a whole says or does?
You guys realize that half the shit you've heard about Huawei was
bullshit put for by our government who were acting as mouthpieces for Cisco
which was later RECANTED by our own government in just a few short years and
then used in FEDERALLY FUNDED PROJECTS, right?
I'm curious if maybe Google, Amazon, and Facebook have done anything
"bad" in your eyes... Since they have direct connections to the CIA and NSA.
They have an incredible amount of data and control.
What's that, the NSA has intercepted routing and switching products mid
shipment and modified them before sending them out? What's that, the NSA was
caught weakening encryption protocols, the Linux kernel, and put backdoors in
equipment from companies like Fortigate, Cisco, and Juniper - putting our own
countries citizens and world governments at risk in the process?
I'm not saying that Huawei is any kind of saint, or that they haven't
done shitty things in the past - my problem is you and others are insinuating
that every employee Huawei has ever had is some kind of scumbag while
simultaneously holding up a different mirror to our own government and its
employees.
For fukes sake get some goddamn perspective.
On Mar 19, 2016 6:30 PM, "Jason McKemie"
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com');> wrote:
I'd tend to agree, hence my concern. I'm not sure that just having one
of the lead people from Huawei is any connection other than the obvious. This
person could have had issues with the company as well, and left as a result.
On Saturday, March 19, 2016, Rory Conaway
<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','r...@triadwireless.net');> wrote:
If there is a Huawei connection, we won’t touch it, simple as that.
Huawei is both a thief and an arm of the Chinese government.
Rory
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2016 4:03 PM
To: af
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Baicells Interview
I'm assuming that $1/month is for some kind of cloud based EPC....
you can most likely buy your own instead, but that seems to be one of the more
costly parts of doing LTE.
On Sat, Mar 19, 2016 at 5:38 PM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
Good interview. A couple things I'm wondering / concerned about
though. First of all, what's with the $1/month/CPE? I realize it isn't a ton
of money, just seems like an expense that shouldn't be there. Also, I'm a
little wary of the Huawei tie-in - although I haven't researched the specific
"fellow" that they're talking about.
On Fri, Mar 18, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net>
wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5vNs0roFK4
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
The Brothers WISP
