Why would I give you odds? $100 bet, clean and simple. :)

Travis

On 3/21/2016 11:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yeah but I want odds.  2:1?
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 11:09 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
I'll put up $100... the bet being that Utah will vote Red, regardless of the candidate?

Travis


On 3/21/2016 11:00 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
So, are you giving odds?  I have $100.
*From:* Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:58 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah
Utah (and Idaho too) will vote Republican. They can talk and say "we will never support Trump"... but at the end of the day, both states will be Red... as always.

I personally have wanted to get rid of the political parties for a LONG time... let each candidate say what he will do on every subject, and not be associated with these "parties" that really don't mean anything anymore. Republicans used to believe "this", but now, 20 years later, they now believe "this". The parties have no real value or benefit, other than to keep thousands of people employed.

Travis


On 3/21/2016 10:44 AM, Sterling Jacobson wrote:

Polls already show Utah switching to Democratic vote if Trump is GOP candidate.

Have you been watching the news?

It’s a big deal, and I believe they are right, Utah won’t stand for Trump.

Even if it’s Hilary.

And I think Utah in general would be just fine with a Woman president, but maybe I’m wrong.

*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
*Sent:* Monday, March 21, 2016 10:31 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

It's funny that everyone says "You can't say that and win"... yet Utah has voted Republican for the last 10 elections (40 years). I think it's a lot like Idaho, that many people check the first "Republican" box on the first page, and never turn the book to even see who that is or what they even stand for.

Do you really think if Trump wins the nomination that Utah would vote for Hillary over Trump? A woman as President, in a state of 50% Mormon, where they don't allow women to hold any real leadership positions?

Trump knows he has Utah and Idaho because they have voted Red for the last 40 years.

Travis

On 3/21/2016 10:13 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

    Would you want a new CEO of a WISP to be hired from the auto
    insurance industry or perhaps a retired school principal?

    IMO A chief executive should have some experience with the
    legislative process and some military experience.

    Foreign policy experience would be something I would look for on
    a resume.

    Trump has been saying that he doesn’t really mean or believe
    some of the hyperbolic things that have came out of his mouth.

    I know  the Lt. Gov fairly well here in Utah.  His family are
    100 year ILEC owners.  Have known them for years.

    This is what he said after the Trump speech:

    "I need to say this, OK, ...and last night Donald Trump did
    something and said something that I never thought I'd see a
    candidate for president do and say, especially someone in the
    Republican Party."

    "Think about that for a second," Cox told the crowd. "A person
    running for office, in our party, thinks it's OK that if you
    question his politics, he can question your religion. I have a
    message for the 3 million people in Utah for Mr. Donald Trump:
    That's not how we roll in Utah, and that's not how we roll in
    the United States of America."

    *From:*Travis Johnson <mailto:t...@ida.net>

    *Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 10:01 AM

    *To:*af@afmug.com

    *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

    It's time for a change... that's the bottom line. Everyone else
    running is a "lifer"... someone that has been in politics or has
    wanted to be, their entire life. Nobody else is going to make
    any REAL changes. It's time for something different.

    It's also refreshing to have someone say what they REALLY
    think... instead of giving lip service for six months before the
    election, and then having them not do anything that they said.
    At least Trump is saying what he thinks.

    Travis

    On 3/21/2016 9:24 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

        He may be super smart and has ideas that really could be
        good for the country.

        He may be a super skilled negotiator.  He may be lots of things.

        He looks like a megalomaniac bully that has no social
        graces.  I don’t care if he was running for the local
        chamber of commerce, you just cannot act like that if you
        want to represent me and my interests.

        *From:*Jaime Solorza <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>

        *Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 9:20 AM

        *To:*Animal Farm <mailto:af@afmug.com>

        *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

        Even some Mennonite folks I spoke with in Cauthemoc think
        Trump is bad for US.

        On Mar 21, 2016 9:07 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

            Trump questioned Romney's faith.  Not something you do
            in Utah.

            And Romney is a special case.  He came in and turned
            around the winter Olympics here and really saved the day.

            Kinda a favorite son.

            *From:*Kurt Fankhauser <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>

            *Sent:*Monday, March 21, 2016 8:47 AM

            *To:*af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>

            *Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Trump in Utah

            What happened on Friday?

            Sent from my iPhone

            Kurt Fankhauser

            Wavelinc Communications

            P.O. Box 126

            Bucyrus, OH 44820

            http://www.wavelinc.com

            tel. 419-562-6405 <tel:419-562-6405>

            fax. 419-617-0110 <tel:419-617-0110>


            On Mar 20, 2016, at 5:21 PM, Chuck McCown
            <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

                Latest polls in Utah show:

                Utah, collectively, votes “anyone but Trump”.

                (Things were not looking great for him but he really
                shot his own dick off on Friday).

                Polls now show, if Trump is the other candidate, he
                loses.

                No matter if it is Hillary, Bernie, Ted...

                Gotta love Utah!




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