what are you planning on using for the fiber? just laying it on the ground as well. I would use liquid tight and pull through some solid 18awg that would last the longest or some inch and a quarter duct and pull both through.

On 7/6/2016 1:38 PM, Jeremy wrote:
Not sure what kind of rodents you have there, but I definitely recommend
conduit and buried.  I have seen conduit not buried through the woods
and it gets squished and broken (if it is PVC) by Moose, deer, etc.  I
have seen direct burial not in conduit eaten by Gophers or Voles or some
crap.  Those kind of jobs are usually the type that you don't want to do
twice.

On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 11:14 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com
<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:

    Use isolation transformers.  And call it a speaker wire.  You are
    sending a loud 60 cycle tone.

    *From:* Eric Kuhnke <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
    *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:10 AM
    *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
    *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

    Yeah, can't do either of those...  Burying it to Canadian electrical
    code compliant depth through 700 meters (2296 ft) of forest, fallen
    trees and rocks isn't going to happen. There is the slight
    possibility of electrical inspection based on where the power would
    be coming from.

    Using a 110/240VAC input active PFC 200W power supply that can
    output 54.5VDC and a DC-DC converter on the load end to bring things
    back to normal 46-48VDC will work.

    AC to DC meanwell RSP-200-48, $41
    DC-DC meanwell SD-200C-48 $71



    On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 9:44 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com
    <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

        Or you could buck it to 480VAC or more...



        bp
        <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>

        On 7/6/2016 9:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
        240 AC over direct burial romex.  All the power you might want.

        *From:* Eric Kuhnke <mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>
        *Sent:* Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:29 AM
        *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
        *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Practical/low-cost 18AWG copper outdoor

        It's looking like $0.25/ft for the cable and the singlemode
        fiber is less...  Also the area is totally filled with trees,
        trees cannot be cut for various reasons, it's the side of a
        bluff on a hilltop. Branches and a few things in one
        particular direction (about 10 degrees of azimuth) would be
        cut to put in the PTP link. North of 49 latitude.

        With DC power over 14AWG it could be enough power for up to
        75W of radios on the far end. Off grid solar to do this would
        be $4000 of panels batteries enclosure, charge controller.

        Very challenging site for solar, if you were to camp there you
        might see 2-3 hours of direct sunlight per day max due to tree
        shading.

        On Wed, Jul 6, 2016 at 8:57 AM, Bill Prince
        <part15...@gmail.com <mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

            For that amount of cable, at 50 cents a foot, I would
            probably do a small solar setup. What is the latitude?


            bp
            <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>


            On 7/5/2016 4:25 PM, Eric Kuhnke wrote:

                Due to terrain I'm helping somebody design a network
                link where a PTP radio will go on the side of a tree
                on the opposite side of a mountain from where AC
                power, a router and other network equipment is located.

                We're looking at 600 to 700 meters of singlemode fiber
                and a small NEMA4X junction box with the radio on the
                far side of the hill, containing a SC-SC patch cable
                bulkhead and a meanwell DC-DC converter.

                It looks like based on the wattage of the radio and
                voltage drop calculations for 18-2 cable that we can
                get away with a 56VDC power supply at the power
                source, dropping to not lower than 35VDC at the
                receiving end, which will be fed into a DC-DC
                converter to bring the output back up to 52.5VDC for
                the radio.

                If you had to run 600-700m of 18AWG cable outdoors
                through a forest, how would you do it? SJOOW type
                cable may not hold up over a long enough time. Ideally
                something that is more armored than SJOOW (it can be
                much less flexible if needed). Cost is somewhat of a
                factor.










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