our indoor cable, i cant remember what its called says its outdoor rated, i
dont know the math behind how its stuffed in the box, it looks like a
spider web, but pulls smooth as silk and fits through a 1/4 inch hole. with
the technical outdoor rating im comfortable having some exposed if the
surge suppressor cant be located on top of the penetration for transition
to the outdoor run. But if the dumbass tech stuffs it back in the box,
chuck the box, it takes hours to untangle it and you have to roll it up on
a spool anyway (apex 9 does have good spools, at least i think thats where
the spools are coming from.
split runs make things so much easier btw. This is off topic, but something
our techs never use that I gave them was the test cables, theyre the old
super pliable alvarion VL coils you got, this stuff is the absolute
greatest. But I put colored markers on it every ten feet and they have
three they can couple, the radio side has velcro to hold it to the tower or
whateve while youre testing. this way you just rough stretch your test
cable from the preferred mount point roughly along your path, count your
marks and now you know your outdoor run length, pull that much out of the
box at the van, do your terminations in the passenger seat in the comfort
of your AC or heat depending on weather, and youre good to go. We run the
test cable from the radio to a power source, at the power source theres an
air router with a nat/ip alias config that lets them be able to manage any
radio from their phone or laptop as well as access the network via dhcp,
slick time saving tools they never effectively use
On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Shireen reels only snag if they are not placed right side up. To put
> extra back in you have to reach through the hole and roll it back on to the
> reel. The boxes need to be taped in order to last without falling apart,
> but I haven't had a single issue with the Shireen box reels in three years
> and hundreds of boxes. I also like that they are on an actual spool, so
> when the box goes to crap I can remove the spool and put it on my cable
> reel. I always had problems with the reel-less boxes like HoldKey kinking
> and getting caught up/
>
> On Sat, Aug 6, 2016 at 10:54 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> What I really, really dislike is the "loop in a box" for lack of a
>> better term. Guaranteed to kink, and don't you dare to ever stuff any back
>> in the box. The Shireen reels in a box are pure crap. They lock up, snag,
>> or just bind into a non-rotating condition at the drop of a hat. The only
>> thing that seems to consistently work is the actual reels.
>>
>> Give me a real reel any day.
>>
>>
>> bp
>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/2016 9:25 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> What do you consider “normal” Cat5? Indoor? Plenum? Multiple colors?
>> I assume you want Cat5e. Are you just looking for an unshielded, non gel
>> filled cable, but doesn’t have to specifically be indoor or plenum cable?
>> (I believe technically you aren’t supposed to run outdoor cable for more
>> than 50 feet indoors due to flame rating.)
>>
>> Also, would you accept a “reel in a box” as long as the box doesn’t fall
>> apart? It seems to offer the best of both worlds.
>>
>>
>> *From:* Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 10:28 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
>>
>> I wish I could find normal cat5 on a spool. It takes less room in the
>> service vehicles and spools out smooth without kinks. But I can only find
>> it in the direct bury flavor. I made my guys some nice reel holders so
>> they can put the spool on its side and slide it under the shelves in their
>> vans for payout. But that is for the 7 conductor power cable we use to
>> connect the ONTs. Be nice to be able to do the same thing for CAT 5.
>>
>> *From:* Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, August 06, 2016 8:27 AM
>> *To:* af@afmug.com ; af@afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
>>
>> If a cable is more durable, then it's longer before you have to go back
>> and replace it.
>> If a cable is less kinky and stiff, then it installs easier which saves
>> labor.
>>
>> We have to try to quantify and weigh these factors. It's not religion,
>> it's business.
>>
>> There's also no harm in appreciating the good aspects of a design even if
>> it's something as mundane as cable.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> To: af@afmug.com
>> Sent: 8/5/2016 8:43:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
>>
>>
>> I could understand if we were all using CCA with non-uv rated cable with
>> no shield and installing the shit underwater, but given some of the price
>> differences for minimal gain, most of the cabling issues in my experience
>> have been related to inadequacies in installer training and not the cable
>> itself - or using staples... those people are the fucking devil.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 7:00 PM, Joe Novak <jno...@lrcomm.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cable is a serious deal.. I mean your network runs on it!
>>>
>>> On Aug 5, 2016 6:28 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've never seen a level of religion in IT equivalent to the cable
>>>> religion on this list. It's kinda nuts.
>>>>
>>>> On Aug 5, 2016 6:13 PM, "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That's the 7919a and equivalent. Good cable, just a PITA. And
>>>>> expensive. The foil tears easily. I like everything about the Shireen 1042
>>>>> for tower cable. Larger tinned stranded drain wire would be nice, but meh.
>>>>> The foil is more than heavy enough and isn't brittle like the
>>>>> Belden/Best-Tronics stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/5/2016 2:56 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you tried the Shireen DC-1042? It’s similar to Belden, but the
>>>>> foil isn’t bonded to the jacket so you can actually fold it back. It has
>>>>> the dry gel impregnated tape instead of the clear mylar in the Belden.
>>>>> Only thing I miss maybe is the stranded drain wire. I forget which Belden
>>>>> version has that, we used to buy both 1300a and 7919a, I think maybe it
>>>>> was
>>>>> the 7919a that had the stranded drain wire.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Shireen pullboxes work pretty nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 2:21 PM
>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
>>>>>
>>>>> thats how the belden is, soft sheath is more durable. I love coming
>>>>> across it. the apex is prone to pinholing and kinking
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don’t buy Commscope 5NF4 anymore because the installers won’t use
>>>>>> it because they hate the goo. They do have to admit however when they go
>>>>>> to a 10 year old install that it stands up to the weather really, really
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* That One Guy /sarcasm <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, August 05, 2016 2:10 PM
>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
>>>>>>
>>>>>> if i was in charge, we never would have gone away from the belden on
>>>>>> the residential outdoor. apex 9 in the winter is so stiff, the foil tears
>>>>>> and the drain is like a bread tie. but at least its not green toughcable
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 5, 2016 at 11:06 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love you too Steve :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We do sell Primus, Belden, and Shireen as well if you would rather
>>>>>>> use one of those cables.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Daniel White
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ConVergence Technologies
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> dwh...@converge-tech.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One
>>>>>>> Guy /sarcasm
>>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 4, 2016 11:54 PM
>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com
>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] residential cable preferences
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> belden something or other was the greatest
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> but these mopes here where i work like apex 9, I think its utter
>>>>>>> shit with its ultrathin foil and brittle copper
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:44 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shireen DC-1021
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 8/4/2016 11:08 PM, Jay Weekley wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I guess it's time for the regular survey on cable preferences for
>>>>>>> residential installs. Of course looking for shielded Cat5 and
>>>>>>> preferably
>>>>>>> pays out of a box.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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