Sweet, thanks! On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 9:48 AM, Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cambium Networks is pleased to announce a promotion on the 900 MHz PMP > 450i Access Points. For a limited time, Cambium Networks will be selling > the 900 MHz AP > <http://ib3.bislr.net/m?s=cambiumsfdcap2&m=s_3e94bcef-d199-4231-9cf8-ec23c7d75c79&u=e1jq4wvfdtfk8ghp60u4ce1j5mrk6h9k5mu48h1r5n130ctg5mt3ah1j70wm4du488t32&r2=d1u78w1u5wqqexvq5thp2vb2d5upuvk5ehvpywkbecq66vvd5xr74vv4enhq8wtfc5hp6tbkecqq0vbg5mu3ac1f&n=2>* > at > 50% off, *with no restrictions as to the number of SMs connected. > > Contact your Cambium Networks reseller > <http://ib3.bislr.net/m?s=cambiumsfdcap2&m=s_3e94bcef-d199-4231-9cf8-ec23c7d75c79&u=e1jq4wvfdtfk8ghp60u4ce1j5mrk6h9k5mu48h1r5n130ctg5mt3ah1j70wm4du488t32&r2=d1u78w1u5wqqexvq5thp2vb2d5upuvk5ehvpywkbecq66vvd5xvpgtbjcmpq8vtdc9uqjbr&n=3> > and > use promotion code*900AP*. > Offer available only to network operators in North America. Promotion price > valid from August 15, 2016 through December 09, 2016. CRSD must be by December > 31. 2016. 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Is it over? Did I dream >> it? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 8:13 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> >> What promotion? >> >> >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Sent: 9/27/2016 1:44:19 AM >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> >> >Like everything with 900, you probably have to just try it. >> > >> >What's clearer is that if most of your FSK subs are at 2X, then moving >> >to 450i will probably net you a big capacity increase, you will be back >> >in the real broadband business. >> > >> >But with a marginal signal level and lots of interference, it's hard to >> >predict. It will give you some extra tools, like 5, 7 and 10 MHz >> >channel widths. And my (limited) experience was yes we got better >> >throughput and fewer losses of registration. >> > >> >You do have to realize that with a 17 dBi CPE antenna and probably >> >running full xmt power, you are probably over the 36 dBm EIRP limit by >> >at least 6 dB in the upstream direction. So do you use the KP 17.5 dBi >> >yagi but tell the SM it only has a 10 or 12 dBi antenna? From your >> >numbers, I think you're going to have to. Unless you have one of those >> >situations where a wider beam to illuminate more foliage would actually >> >perform better. >> > >> >It you're going to try it, now's the time with the promotion. >> > >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jay Weekley >> >Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 11:34 PM >> >To: af@afmug.com >> >Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> > >> >I'm curious how the conversion from the legacy 900 gear to the 450i is. >> >For example, if we have a customer with a -75 with a 17 db yagi on the >> >old stuff but is having problems due to interference will we be able to >> >salvage them with the 450i 900 gear? >> > >> >Dave wrote: >> >> George, >> >> Myself and another ISP here in Arkansas have been using the new >> >> 450i >> >> 900 gear and for what its worth we have been amazed at some of the >> >> penetration and numbers we able to see. >> >> Using KP sectors and yagis is the ticket. >> >> We have been able to increase marginal shots in upwards of 10+ >> >> points or more. >> >> >> >> The only gotcha I have with the stuff is the number of clients that >> >> can be sustained on an AP. >> >> Which all revolves around Frame Utilization. We have been ok with >> >> about 20 subs with a 5x5 sustained rate package. >> >> I am sure you could squeeze more by tweaking the sustained and burst. >> >> I used the Capacity planner cambium has for this and it was really >> >> close for what we see. >> >> Yes, even through some pine >> >> >> >> >> >> On 09/24/2016 02:45 PM, George Skorup wrote: >> >>> And what happens when the noise floor increases and the eNB can't >> >>> hear those shitty CPEs anymore? Nevermind, that question answered >> >>>itself. >> >>> >> >>> The boss keeps wanting to try an LTE sector at sites where we have >> >>>a >> >>> mile or more deep trees (where we know 900 FSK barely works now, >> >>>not >> >>> only due to power levels but noise floor too). My fear is that it >> >>> actually does "work" (meaning horrible mod levels) and he'll want >> >>>to >> >>> run with it. So we'll get what, a couple Mbps out of a sector. >> >>>Sounds >> >>> a lot like 900 FSK. Sounds a lot like 900 450i with a horrible >> >>>noise >> >>> floor. So we gain nothing and spent a ton of money. Great idea. And >> >>> we won't end up getting all of the customers off of the 900 anyway, >> >>> that I'm sure. >> >>> >> >>> On 9/24/2016 11:47 AM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>>> In Wimax it's 4x4....I'm pretty sure we'll have 4x4 in LTE as >> >>>>well, >> >>>> but I think feature was released only a month or so ago. We have >> >>>>a >> >>>> few places with split sectors, so we'll be able to compare to 2x2. >> >>>> From what I understand, LTE's frame structure is such that it can >> >>>> hang on to a crummy signal longer than Wimax. It was explained to >> >>>>me >> >>>> that Wimax puts the synchronization data in the pre-amble which >> >>>>has >> >>>> to be received on every subcarrier, whereas LTE has that data >> >>>> interspersed among the subcarriers, so where your weak wimax CPE >> >>>> sometimes cuts in an out, an LTE CPE in the same conditions can >> >>>>stay >> >>>> connected. It also has lower mod levels that let it operate right >> >>>> down to the noise floor. And at least in theory you'll get more >> >>>> throughput than you get in the same conditions on Wimax. >> >>>> I have the same reservations as you about the low mod levels thing. >> >>>> Just because they work doesn't mean you want them. We're not >> >>>> intentionally installing anything weaker than a -80 RSSI right >> >>>>now, >> >>>> so we really ought to be ok on that front. >> >>>> -Adam >> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>> From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com >> >>>><mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> >> >>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >>>> Sent: 9/23/2016 11:23:57 PM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> >>>>> Well, let me ask this. Are you doing 2x2 or 4x4 on the Telrad? >> >>>>> Obviously 4x4 would give a slight advantage. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> My whole thing is, OK, it might work through a shit ton of trees. >> >>>>> Linked up and able to move some traffic is one thing. But a whole >> >>>>> bunch of low modulation customers on a sector is not worth the >> >>>>> investment. LTE, Wimax, 450i 900.. whatever it may be. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I know of a Telrad installation where they couldn't make it work. >> >>>>> Turned out to be interference. They had some guys from Israel >> >>>>>come >> >>>>> "fix" it. I won't say any names, but I now see what they did to >> >>>>>get >> >>>>> it working. It's in the 3.5 band.. because I can see them on my >> >>>>> 450's spectrum analyzer. From multiple sectors on multiple >> >>>>>towers, >> >>>>> so I know what direction it's coming from. And I have no doubt >> >>>>> they're running it over powered. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Welp, we have a BaiCells demo kit, so we'll see what happens. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 9/23/2016 9:52 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>>>>> We've had Telrad Compact 1000's for around 2.5 years, but >> >>>>>>they're >> >>>>>> running Wimax firmware because we were replacing older 16e >> >>>>>> installations. We have a number of sites now that have entirely >> >>>>>> dual mode CPE so we're about to pull the trigger on LTE. We're >> >>>>>> installing four LTE base stations next week on brand new sites, >> >>>>>> and assuming those go well we'll upgrade some existing Wimax >> >>>>>>sites. >> >>>>>> So yeah, within the next few weeks I'll know more. I'll >> >>>>>>definitely >> >>>>>> report back. >> >>>>>> It's interesting that you phrase it as "if it works at all." >> >>>>>>The >> >>>>>> issue with Wimax has never been it "working", it's just that it >> >>>>>> comes with a lot of quirks and it sucks at administration and >> >>>>>> troubleshooting. I'm speaking of Wimax in general here, not >> >>>>>> Telrad specifically....and I've used Wimax from three different >> >>>>>> vendors now. I have no fear about LTE working. I _am_ afraid >> >>>>>>it >> >>>>>> will turn out to be cut from the same cloth as Wimax. >> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>>>> From: "George Skorup" <geo...@cbcast.com >> >>>>>> <mailto:geo...@cbcast.com>> >> >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >>>>>> Sent: 9/23/2016 8:04:34 PM >> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> >>>>>>> Aren't you doing Telrad? Please let us know if it works at all. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 9/23/2016 4:05 PM, Adam Moffett wrote: >> >>>>>>>> I'll let you know in a few weeks. >> >>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>>>>>> From: ch...@wbmfg.com <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> >> >>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >>>>>>>> Sent: 9/23/2016 5:01:02 PM >> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> >>>>>>>>> I wonder what LTE would do with the same RSSI. >> >>>>>>>>> *From:* Adam Moffett <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> >> >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 23, 2016 2:46 PM >> >>>>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> >>>>>>>>> Oh I also have somebody with a -88 who gets about half that. >> >>>>>>>>> 900 was the last ditch effort for both of these. >> >>>>>>>>> With wimax from the same tower we got a big fat nothing at >> >>>>>>>>>both >> >>>>>>>>> locations. >> >>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>>>>>>> From: "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com >> >>>>>>>>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> >> >>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >>>>>>>>> Sent: 9/23/2016 4:44:21 PM >> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> >>>>>>>>>> On the other end of the quality spectrum: >> >>>>>>>>>> *Link Test with Bridging >> >>>>>>>>>> * >> >>>>>>>>>> VC Downlink Uplink Aggregate Packet Transmit Packet Receive >> >>>>>>>>>> Actual Actual >> >>>>>>>>>> 19 6.07 Mbps 1.32 Mbps 7.39 Mbps, 474 pps 821 (410 pps) >> >>>>>>>>>> 128(64 pps) >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> That's a -85 on a 5mhz channel. On any wider channel I lose >> >>>>>>>>>> this guy. >> >>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Dave" <dmilho...@wletc.com >> >>>>>>>>>> <mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com>> >> >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 9/23/2016 4:17:36 PM >> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 900 MHz PMP450i :: Any real numbers? >> >>>>>>>>>>> This is from one of ours >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Current Results Status >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Stats for LUID: 3 Test Duration: 5 Pkt Length: 1714 Test >> >>>>>>>>>>> Direction Bi-Directional >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *RF Link Test* >> >>>>>>>>>>> VC Downlink Uplink Aggregate Packet Transmit Packet Receive >> >>>>>>>>>>> Actual Actual >> >>>>>>>>>>> 19 26.13 Mbps 6.78 Mbps 32.92 Mbps, 2367 pps 2389 (477 >> >>>>>>>>>>> pps) 9450(1890 pps) >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Efficiency* >> >>>>>>>>>>> Downlink Uplink >> >>>>>>>>>>> Efficiency Fragments >> >>>>>>>>>>> count Efficiency Fragments >> >>>>>>>>>>> count >> >>>>>>>>>>> Actual Expected Actual Expected 100% 255254 255254 78% >> >>>>>>>>>>> 84124 66231 >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Link Test ran on 03:59:48 01/09/2011 UTC >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> *Currently transmitting at:* VC 19 Rate 8X/8X MIMO-B >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 09/23/2016 03:12 PM, Bill Prince wrote: >> >>>>>>>>>>>> We're looking at doing a forklift on a couple of 900 MHz >> >>>>>>>>>>>>FSK >> >>>>>>>>>>>> APs. What are real world throughput numbers that any of you >> >>>>>>>>>>>> pioneers are getting? We would probably want to do 10 MHz >> >>>>>>>>>>>> channels at first, and I would hope that we could get > 15 >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mbps in download, but maybe I'm being too conservative? >> >>>>>>>>>>>> The places we are looking at do not have Smart Meter >> >>>>>>>>>>>>issues. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>>>>>>> bp >> >>>>>>>>>>>> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com >> >>>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >
