I doubt it. I have no idea though.
Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2016 7:49 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector Does wideband include 4.9ghz? On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 8:29 AM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com <mailto:afmu...@gmail.com> > wrote: Some thoughts… - 450i SM was never intended for residential installation… but because it shares similar hardware to the 450i AP is the only SM today capable of wider channels and other goodness (also 5.2GHz as Ken pointed out). Cambium is in a lot of markets where the ruggedized AP case was needed on the SM side. - The Force200 is dirt simple to put together Kurt. Much easier than the Force 110 or even an old 27RD - The wideband SM design will also have version similar to the Force 180 Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590> <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 6:49 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector And if you want to run your 450i AP in 5.1-5.3 GHz, the only SM choices are those expensive 450i SMs. It’s not like you can buy a 5.2 GHz 450 SM. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 7:06 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector Why can't someone make an SM with some gain that has the ease of assembly of the newer Nanobeams? I never have assembled a Force 200 but the old Force 110 was a PITA compared to a simple Nanobeam. Also I really welcome this new style of SM with un-capped throughput at possibly at the $299 price level. The 450i SM's coming in at over $500/each is way to much for normal residential customers. There is no need for residential accounts to have that expensive ruggedized hardware in my area. So next question, will this new SM have a Gigabit or 10/100 Ethernet port? Also will it be 24v or 48v POE? Hopefully its still 24v because most of us will be swapping out existing 450 SM's with these and when the customers not home and needing to change the POE injector is going to be a huge issue. Also if this integrated dish CPE that's un-capped will be $299 then that means they need a non-integrated non-dished CPE in the $200 price level, maybe phase out the P11 hardware for some P12 or P13 hardware with original SM form factor and un-capped throughput!!!! On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: Oh, like UBNT and their “InnerFeed”. Was never fond of that. Especially the first versions which begged for water intrusion. Seems like there would be some heat dissipation issues doing that with 450/450i electronics. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 5:38 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector The 110 and 450d is the sub-reflector assembly type. The Force200 took the electronics into the feed and dipole at the end. On 10/24/2016 5:11 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: What’s the difference between Force 200 and 450d? Cassegrain feed vs subreflector in radome? Sheesh, make up your mind. Is it a cost thing? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 4:43 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector I believe that's the idea, yes. Be interesting to see how they cram all of the guts onto a board at the Force200 size integrated feed tube dipole setup. I guess it doesn't have to be exactly the same size. Be nice if they kept sync-over-power capability to spin a PTP variant. Hint hint. That's one thing I wish the Force200 had. IMHO. On 10/24/2016 4:16 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: I heard that the new 450i SM that will be end of 2017 will be possibly the Force 200 form factor and will be un-capped for $299.00 On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 11:15 AM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com <mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote: We’ll see if Matt or Aaron jumps in, but I suspect the answer is yes and no. The 450D definitely knows it’s an integrated antenna, the external gain field is locked, but likely that’s just something programmed into NV storage. For more CPU horsepower, I suspect you want the 450i SM which AFAIK still comes only in connectorized and integrated panel versions and costs $$$. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Monday, October 24, 2016 9:49 AM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector Does the 450D have the exact same internal PCB board has original 450SM's? Reason I am asking is does the 45D have capability of getting more throughput to each individual SM vs the original 450 which capped out at about 70mbps. I am wondering because with the extra wide channels coming with 450 (40mhz) can we expect more speed to the clients? On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote: Old thread but do you see 3db more signal with them vs a standard sm with reflector? On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:51 AM, SmarterBroadband <li...@smarterbroadband.com <mailto:li...@smarterbroadband.com> > wrote: We use them a lot. Most installs. Adam From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com> ] On Behalf Of Daniel White Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 8:13 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector Personally I like them. Reflectors and the classic Canopy case SM’s are certainly more popular though. There are a number of WISP’s that buy them though. I think the 4 pack and only 20Mbps/Unlimited keys turns some people off. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590 <tel:%2B1%20%28303%29%20746-3590> <mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> dwh...@converge-tech.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of timothy steele Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 4:06 PM To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] PMP450d vs reflector Looks like power and gain are the same but the 450d has more of a narrow antenna pattern then using a dish so I would expect to see better results don't have 1 to try though.. On Tue, Jun 28, 2016, 5:55 PM Jon Langeler <jon-ispli...@michwave.net <mailto:jon-ispli...@michwave.net> > wrote: Someone bought one that's not government? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. > On Jun 28, 2016, at 5:38 PM, Matt <matt.mailingli...@gmail.com > <mailto:matt.mailingli...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Has anyone compared a PMP450d to a PMP450 5ghz SM with reflector? 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