Yeah the ones that we generally use are thicker (there are ones that aren't
as thick) and can make running a ton of them through cable management sort
of crappy.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
wrote:

> Cable management and sometimes airflow.They're much larger diameter than
> sm or mm, require a larger bend radius than bend insensitive fiber, and you
> can't exactly cut them to length. If you just have a few uplink DACs you
> can make them work, but if you have a rack full of fiber strands and then
> throw in a few dozen DACs, after awhile you're just like "this is
> stupid..., brb grabbing some sfp+'s...".
>
> On Oct 27, 2016 9:31 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> How is a DAC harder to manage?
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 27, 2016 9:26:35 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti makes the big time...
>>
>> Well, I used to like DACs. Not so much anymore.
>>
>> Some of it has to do with cable organization, and inventory is the other
>> angle.
>>
>> Having transceivers and patches around is utilitarian. Having DACs around
>> is slightly cheaper, but those DACs are much harder to deal with from a
>> cable management perspective.
>>
>> I don't hate DACs, I just dislike the tradeoffs.
>>
>> On Oct 27, 2016 7:57 AM, "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Anything that doesn't support DACs is fucking worthless.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've ditched all ad-block, privacy, etc. extensions. They're garbage.
>>>
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From: *"Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com>
>>> *To: *af@afmug.com
>>> *Sent: *Thursday, October 27, 2016 7:50:21 AM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Ubiquiti makes the big time...
>>>
>>> I complained about the DAC issue during the Alpha, as I just wanted to
>>> plug in the switch to a Juniper MX960 and throw some of the VM load on it.
>>> Sadly I ended up having to use short patch cables and fiberstore
>>> transceivers, which worked fine.
>>>
>>> I didn't experience the crashes the author did, although I "whitelist"
>>> all my hardware interfaces in my browser extensions... Maybe that was
>>> his/her issue, I don't know.
>>>
>>> Side note: the was about 6 months back
>>>
>>> On Oct 27, 2016 7:33 AM, "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The good news:  kit gets reviewed on a major IT website.
>>>> The bad news: kit gets reviewed on a major IT website.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/10/27/ubiquiti_edgeswitch_review/
>>>>
>>>> Mark
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>

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