Can you tell us more about this split and financial engineering? Or perhaps point to other resources where I can learn some more?
You say the money is better spent on private operations. How do you envision this should work? A public private partnership or how should Utopia have doled out the money? Jared Sent: Friday, October 28, 2016 at 8:32 AM From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber I’m saying Utopia had to split into two companies to even show a profit and overall the model was a failure if you combine all operations. The money is better spent on a private operation who owns and services the customer entirely. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Roger Timmerman Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:29 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Not sure why anyone would say the UTOPIA/Brigham City project didn't work. ~25% of the city pre-committed for services which was enough to back a bond to fund the whole city's fiber build. Since then subscriber-ship has continued to increase, is now at about 33% across the entire city, and generates net positive cash flow. It's a great model and I would expect we will see much more of it (albeit without the liens the city used alleviate their risk). Despite occasional complaints, a third party net promoter survey last March gave UTOPIA a 57 net promoter score, which is almost unbelievably high in the ISP industry. I'm not sure what you're comparing us to, but that seems like very successful project to me. Roger On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:49 AM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net[mailto:sterl...@avative.net]> wrote: I like the idea of the bond, but I don’t like the idea of a split responsibility/ISP where one entity owns the fiber and others bill and provide service over it. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com[mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com]] On Behalf Of can...@believewireless.net[mailto:can...@believewireless.net] Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 10:32 AM To: af@afmug.com[mailto:af@afmug.com] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Seems like a race to the bottom on pricing. I'm sure spammers and DCMA violators will love it! On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:05 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com]> wrote: Utopia tried that method in Brigham City and it didn't work so well (for a variety of reasons). -----Original Message----- From: Travis Johnson Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2016 8:35 AM To: af@afmug.com[mailto:af@afmug.com] Subject: [AFMUG] Ammon City fiber Hi, This is a small "town" that is directly connected to my hometown of Idaho Falls. The road I drive to work on, the west side of that street is Idaho Falls, the east side is Ammon. We had a lot of wireless customers in the Ammon area when I was a WISP. They have been working on this fiber project for almost 10 years. It's a very interesting way to do it. They have bundled the $3,000 installation into a low interest "bond" kind of thing that is attached to the property... so that's about $15/month for 20 years. Then they have a small transport/utility fee for the fiber itself of $16.50/month. The most amazing part is the user can switch between providers from a website, picking the speed and service that they want, and it changes their service immediately. It will be interesting to see how this goes. They are supposed to have their first residential customer live by the end of this year. They are saying 100Mbps x 100Mbps service would be about $60-$70 per month total (with $0 installation cost). http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/what-if-switching-fiber-isps-was-as-easy-as-clicking-a-mouse/[http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/06/what-if-switching-fiber-isps-was-as-easy-as-clicking-a-mouse/] Travis
