I would argue that they may be different, and perhaps incrementally more expensive than lead acid to charge manage. But not double. so perhaps a 27,000 watt-hour charge controller for lead acid is $2000 (pure speculation). The charge controller for a 13,500 watt-hour LI charge controller might be about the same price.

The power wall is probably impractical simply because of the voltage that it runs at. Isn't it something like 500 volts? Not very usable from our perspective unless you want to double convert (first to AC, then back to DC). It would be much nicer to build a ~~ 56 volt system from surplus LI batteries and move on.

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On 10/29/2016 3:34 PM, Robert Andrews wrote:
But charging Li batteries is nothing like charging lead acid and you need to have the right kind of charger for specific types of Li batteries... That's the issue right now. Otherwise I would be buying Li batteries like Pez...

On 10/29/2016 10:47 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
So it forwards the argument Chuck proposed; salvage battery packs from
electric cars. DC all the way.


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On 10/29/2016 10:35 AM, Robert Andrews wrote:
About 1.5 time lead acid will do.  It's something I am drooling over
for my remote sites...   But the charging situation is the deal
breaker...  double conversion in and out of AC...  and you have to use
their solar If I remember right...

On 10/29/2016 08:44 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
True.  I wonder how many cycles it will do at that DOD.
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But did you notice that it allows 100% discharge?

Doing the same thing with lead acid would require 27,000 watt hours.
Double the cost.

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On 10/29/2016 8:34 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
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