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2016-11-02 18:25 GMT+01:00 George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com>: > Yep, 2.4 is dead to me. > > On 11/2/2016 12:23 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: > > That would be nice. While some see 3.65 GHz as the replacement for 900 > MHz, we have been using it to replace 2.4 GHz. > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 12:18 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > > > Ken, > > > > I may be mistaken but at Wispalooza I thought I heard cambium say that > 3.65ghz will be the next frequency they do 450m in, *if* they were to do > another frequency at all. 2.4Ghz would be the last, not even sure if it > would even be possible with 900mhz. > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 12:07 PM, Ken Hohhof <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > > Yeah, you look at that spare AP capacity and start giving away bandwidth, > next thing you know it you are spending big bucks to upgrade your 10 mile > licensed backhauls to carry multi gigabit. > > > > On a side note, I wish there was a 450m in 3.65 GHz, where we are limited > both in channel size and total spectrum. No 30 or 40 MHz channels, we use > all 10 MHz channels. Probably not going to see any development like that > at least until CBRS gets settled. And I’m very, very reluctant to get on > the LTE bandwagon, having gone through the hype and disappointment cycle > with WiMAX, and finding it to be basically a best effort service with > limited capacity. Yeah, we can connect and pass data at -85 dBm, but > customer satisfaction is way lower than our 450 customers, we don’t want to > connect gamers or VoIP customers, and we can’t sell our higher speed > packages. At least we are getting CPEs now that are a little less stupid > than the Gemteks, but I still dread logging into the basestation, I feel > like it should be on a VT100 green screen monitor. > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Kurt Fankhauser > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:58 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > > > Make them pay for it though, don't leave money at the table unnecessarily. > Time Warner could be selling me a 10gig fiber connection over the same > fiber stand that they are selling me a 1gig. Why are they not giving me > 10gig? Because I know the fiber can handle it. Its because they can and > they know that nobody else in the area is offering a 10gig connection right > now. Simple business. I learned that over the last several years that if > you under-charge for something, every month that goes by that's money that > you've lost that you'll never get back. > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > Because you can? > > FWIW: I don't mean 50 instead of 20, I mean 20 instead of 5. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:42:25 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > Don't offer significantly faster speeds in your area unless your forced to > by a competitor. If your competitor is offer 3mbps packages then you can > offer 10mbps packages and be safe. But no sense in offering 50mbps packages > if their only other option is 1.5mbps. What would the point of that be? > Your basically giving away bandwidth for free that you don't have to be. > You could give the customer the option of the 50mbps package but at a much > higher cost since you don't have any competition offering it. > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > End user experience. If you're putting 50 customers on and you're peaking > relatively low on the frame utilization, you could increase what you're > offering. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:30:36 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > How is being able to serve 100+ subs from one AP a bad thing? > > > > Whether APs are cheap or expensive, we are not in the business of buying > APs, we are in the business of selling Internet to customers. More > customers = good. If we can do that without buying more APs, what’s wrong > with that? > > > > > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:19 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > > > For sure frame utilization is important. My thoughts are that if you're > loading up that many clients on an AP, maybe you ought to be offering > faster plans or removing other restrictions instead of loading up more on > an AP. > > Then again, I don't deploy 450, so I don't have high AP costs to be > worried about. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Wednesday, November 2, 2016 9:13:06 AM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > As long as your downlink and uplink frame utilization is not maxing out on > the 450 you can definitely load 100 subs on an AP. With the 30mhz channel > width and soon to be 40mhz channel width option with the 450 that will just > help get more subs on per AP. I personally have had 50 subs on an old FSK > 2.4AP as recent as 1 year ago. that AP was capping out at 10mbps on the > downlink side. I have no doubt that with a 40mhz channel width 450 AP which > would net about 175-200mbps downlink on average depending on how many subs > you have running 6x-8x connections and how busy they are that you could > easily fit 100+subs on that AP. With Medusa and the ability to push > 300-400mbps per AP I wouldn't be surprised if we start seeing some people > get close to 200 subs on a single AP. Its all about % of frame unitization. > > > > Now my next question, is Medusa considered Beam Forming? Wasn't the FCC > originally going to allow higher EIRP on "Smart Antennas." Isn't the Medusa > about the most smartest AP/Antenna you can get? Just think if the FCC > allowed a little more power on the Medusa how much more clients you could > get because the range would be better. > > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 7:13 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > > I wouldn't load 100 subs onto any platform out there. There's just not > enough capacity on any of them. > > Same frequency. Technology is how they do it. Tons of stuff out there on > how beamforming and mu-MIMO works. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > > *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" <lists.wavel...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Tuesday, November 1, 2016 9:05:18 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > Cambium will never lower SM price until a competitor brings another > solution to market that you could also load 100subs on and not have the > thing choke. Hopefully Airfiber PTMP will be that. Also what I don't > understand about Medusa, since it has a bunch of smaller sectors inside of > it,, is the sectors inside of it running ABABABAB frequency re-use? Why is > the SM's not getting interference from the adjacent array if they are all > operating on same 20mhz frequency? > > > > On Tue, Nov 1, 2016 at 9:09 PM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> wrote: > > Update all SMs on the sector to 15.0.0.1. Hang 450m. Shut off 450 sector > and turn 450m on. Collect stats and share. :) > > Don't have high expectations if you have a high concentration of SMs in > one direction. But you should really see a difference where they're fairly > spread out over 60-90 degrees. Remember it's 7x 13-degree beams and > tweaking the azimuth just a little bit may help balance things out. > > On 11/1/2016 1:58 PM, SmarterBroadband wrote: > > That is 100% why I want to use it.� We have an overloaded AP and no new > frequency.� A 3x performance boost will solve the problem.� I also hope > the 17 degree beams will reduce interference seen by the AP. > > � > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *George Skorup > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:30 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > � > > The data that Matt showed us at HQ a few weeks ago where an operator (not > in the US) with over 100 SMs! on a single 450 sector proved that a > performance boost of 3-3.5x is possible simply by swapping to a 450m > sector. And that's still using only that single 20MHz channel in 90 > degrees. They created this thing for a reason. And that right there is it. > Nuckin futs. > > On 11/1/2016 9:17 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Rise Broadband.... > > ? > > � > > *From:* Matt Mangriotis > > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2016 8:08 AM > > *To:* af@afmug.com > > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > � > > I will say that we have a [very large] customer that will remain nameless, > which has ~1100 active customers across more than 12 sectors of 450m.� > They are very pleased with the performance. > > � > > There are several others that are putting up their first sectors now as > well.� If you run into issues, we are escalating support cases to our > team that has a lot of experience in deploying this model. > > � > > Matt > > � > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof > *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 8:34 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > � > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphonse_and_Gaston#/media/ > File:Alphonsegaston.jpg > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAlphonse_and_Gaston%23%2Fmedia%2FFile%3AAlphonsegaston.jpg&data=01%7C01%7Cmatt.mangriotis%40cambiumnetworks.com%7Cbe305b2cb945442e3cad08d401f726bf%7C0e263e36340946228ac818d993e76eb6%7C1&sdata=KVm6mRWBg3SiYCVBHxQYPrJliSwuQdAP2VPMOG5mGJo%3D&reserved=0> > > � > > � > > *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com <af-boun...@afmug.com>] *On > Behalf Of *SmarterBroadband > *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2016 7:39 PM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* [AFMUG] Cambium 450m > > � > > Our first 450m should arrive this week.� We plan to replace an existing > 450 AP that has 66 customers for our first deployment. > > � > > However, I do not want to do this until I have heard that there are some > installed and working. > > � > > Does anyone have 450m up and running.� Would you please share your > experiences and results. > > � > > Thanks > > � > > Adam > > � > > � > > � > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
