thats a prime example of what i said, the fax machine. aside from the non adopters, you dont see them, but faxes are still really common, but theyre via ip now, innovation and consumer demand drove a change, its less expensive to fax now than ever before if you adopt the innovation. mechanisms were designed to facilitate communication between the old and new technologies. if you have a fax machine and recieve a fax, you dont know if it came from a fax or from ring central, and vice versa. the endpoints have become unimportant because middle mile solved it
On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:00 PM, <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: > That is funny, back in 1996, an Algerian defense contractor hired me to > design a phone line sniffer that would decode faxes in real time. Fun > project. > > Secure it was not. Perhaps things have advanced from those days. > > *From:* Josh Reynolds > *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 11:49 AM > *To:* af@afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? > > > The Federal government considers fax secure. > > I have no idea the rationale behind it, but they do. > > Applies to HIPAA also. > > On Nov 13, 2016 12:44 PM, "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com> wrote: > >> When FAX machines go away, we can start the 10 year countdown for IPv4 to >> go away. >> >> >> >> How is FAX still a thing? But it is, it won’t die, and many businesses >> absolutely need the ability to send FAXes, even if only to a couple places. >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *That One Guy >> /sarcasm >> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:33 PM >> *To:* af@afmug.com >> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? >> >> >> >> the interwebs is kind of an innovative industry. Genpop has gotten a >> taste of ip6, they dont know what it is, but its new and must be better, so >> theyll demand it. somebody will come up with a solution that gets adopted >> that doesnt make anybody actually change anything but the world will appear >> to be all ip6 >> >> >> >> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 10:54 AM, George Skorup <geo...@cbcast.com> >> wrote: >> >> Josh, I don't disagree with you, but didn't we have this discussion a >> couple weeks ago? I remember something about issues with DNS64 not quite >> working as expected. >> >> >> >> On 11/13/2016 10:49 AM, Josh Reynolds wrote: >> >> *facepalm* I guess I have to spell it out. >> >> Run ipv6 internal with NAT64 and DNS64. Or DSLite, or just simply >> dualstack with NAT444 aka CGNAT. >> >> We will have need for some ipv4 for the foreseeable future. >> >> Nothing is stopping you from running a fully ipv6 internal network >> assuming you have the proper translation layers in place at either edge >> (customer edge or transit edge). >> >> >> >> On Nov 13, 2016 10:40 AM, <fiber...@mail.com> wrote: >> >> What do you think the 4 stands for in NAT64? You cannot access IPv4 >> resources with IPv4 addresses, even if you use IPv6 everywhere. >> >> Jared >> >> >> >> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 at 5:59 PM >> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? >> NAT64 >> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAT64 >> >> >> On Nov 13, 2016 9:54 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com[mailto:chuck@ >> wbmfg.com]> wrote: >> >> Nope, not if you are v6 and only v6. No way to get to bazillions of >> servers that are on v4 still and will be for many moons. >> You will have to have V4 involved somewhere forever. >> >> >> >> From: Josh Reynolds >> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 1:32 AM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? >> >> Of course you can. There's many ways to go about it. >> >> >> On Nov 12, 2016 11:47 PM, "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net> >> wrote: >> >> Except that you literally cannot ‘move to IPv6’ and have happy clients >> yet. >> >> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser >> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:17 PM >> To: af@afmug.com >> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] IPv4 auction alternatives? >> >> >> Wow, didn't know that /24's were going for that high. I would move to >> IPv6 as fast as I can! >> >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >> wrote: >> >> That's actually a pretty good price. >> >> >> >> On Nov 11, 2016 6:42 PM, "Dev" <d...@logicalwebhost.com> wrote: >> Are there any other alternatives than the ipv4auctions.com[http://ipv4au >> ctions.com] style websites, which seem like highway robbery at $3584 >> current bid for a /24? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >> > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
