In that case, duct minimized the damage and makes repair much quicker and
cheaper.
From: Jaime Solorza
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:32 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Cost
We have Bubbas... They cut fiber with tractor.... Happened several times to TWC
and Espire in two years
On Nov 17, 2016 12:29 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think I have gophers either.
Woodchucks, rats, field mice, rabbits, voles, moles...burrowing rodents come
in many flavors.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Chris Fabien" <ch...@lakenetmi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/17/2016 1:19:24 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Cost
If you have gophers and duct prevents that I suppose that's worth the cost.
We do not have gophers in Michigan. We put everything direct buried in
rural areas. In some cases we may plow in 12ct cable down a mile of road with
only a few obstacles that need to be bored. That's about $1000 of cable. A mile
of innerduct is about $2000 in material and is a big product to plow if you're
plowing, or has to be drilled in (more expensive).
In town we run duct, mainly because there are enough obstacles that we have
to drill it all anyway. There are certainly benefits to duct, but it adds a lot
of cost when you're looking at a rural area with maybe 10 houses per mile. Just
my opinion, worth what you paid for it!
Chris Fabien
LakeNet LLC
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
I would never do direct again. Gopher damage. Doesn’t happen with duct.
Plus with duct you can cut and pull out and go over and under anytime you
want. Saves in splicing and figure 8 ing etc.
Duct is worth the extra expense. And it is not really that expensive.
From: Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 6:14 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Cost
Duct or direct plow makes a difference. Direct is cheaper but damage is
much harder, takes longer to repair, and increases your maintenance cost over
time. With direct bury you have no ability to pull slack or add new handholes
for access. In the event of a fiber cut without duct the repair usually
involves exposing 100’ of cable on either side of the damage and splicing in a
new section of cable which will require double the number of splices and splice
cases versus duct where you can pull spare cable in.
Mark
On Nov 17, 2016, at 8:03 AM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com>
wrote:
All ROW are already in place. Few road crossings in rural areas but in
cities close to standard numbers of road crossings.
On Thu, Nov 17, 2016, 6:53 AM <fiber...@mail.com> wrote:
Just don't forget that there will be costs not related to
construction both before and after.
Some of them are onetime costs, not related to mileage like planning,
permits and the like. This is one reason costs are all over the map, because it
depends on how many miles you can spread fixed prebuild costs.
Others are ongoing costs which will keep eating at you, even after
you finish construction. Various reporting requirements and paperwork, locates,
repairs, maintenance, etc. Even when you have a brand new plant you have to
budget for OPEX.
Jared
> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 at 2:27 PM
> From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Cost
>
> All over the place. 10k to 200k depending location. Rural
direct plowed in good soil with no duct and nothing in the way? 12k is about
as low as I have seen quoted. Road crossings, boring, rock, urban, rail
crossings, pipeline crossings will all add to that number.
>
> Mark
>
>
> > On Nov 17, 2016, at 5:52 AM, Lewis Bergman
<lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I know we have discussed this before but I wanted a current cost
for backhaul fiber per mile in the ground.
>
>
