They do have an uplink (for their own use).  
I think that ground based stations determine the satellite position and uplinks 
that data so that it can broadcast its position.  
Not sure if it is altitude above geoid that is the most critical bit of 
ephermal data or if it actually transmits 3D positional data.  
Never studied it hard enough.

Super accurate timing info doesn’t do much for you unless you knew where it 
originated.  

From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 12:36 PM
To: af@afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC

....yeah but GPS doesn't need an uplink.

So if you have an antenna of similar size and shape to one of those cone shaped 
GPS antennas, how much tx power do you need to hit sats in LEO?  That's at 
least a hundred miles up isn't it?



------ Original Message ------
From: "Mike Hammett" <af...@ics-il.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 11/17/2016 11:53:49 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC

  They won't need to be south-facing. With 4,000 of them, they'll be everywhere 
going everywhere. I'd think like GPS.




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  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






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  From: "Ken Hohhof" <af...@kwisp.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:52:04 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC


  Article says client side antennas will be phased array to track the sats, 
also that the sats will communicate with each other.



  Seems to me even with all those sats, talking about gigabit service to 
customers is a bit of marketing hype.



  Speaking of marketing, that would seem to be the key, how will they market 
this?  Unless the target market is the same people who bought Iridium phones.



  SpaceX does not have a natural existing marketing vehicle for Internet 
service, I assume they will need partners or resellers.  That is the advantage 
a Verizon, AT&T or DISH has – millions of existing customers they can advertise 
to, and offer bundle deals to.



  Satellite does have a natural appeal to the “nothing on my house” people, you 
can stick the antenna on a short pole in the yard.  Still not a great solution 
for the apartment and condo dwellers without south facing balconies, they want 
indoor wireless modems.  I am assuming the LEO orbits will still be in the 
southern sky like GPS sats, maybe that is wrong and they will whiz overhead in 
all directions?





  From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:10 AM
  To: af@afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC



  I didn’t see what frequencies they are using.

  Earth stations would need to track them I would think.  



  From: Tushar Patel 

  Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 7:00 AM

  To: af@afmug.com 

  Subject: [AFMUG] Space X, Satellite internet 1 GBPS, FCC



  http://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-internet-satellite-constellation-2016-11



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