Ill beg to differ on your 99% statement From: Af <af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net<mailto:s...@genias.net>> Reply-To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Date: Thursday, December 8, 2016 at 12:28 PM To: "af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News?
99% of LTE is FDD. So it works great for PTMP. It cost to much for WISPs (until a vendor brings down the cost …). Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 [cid:aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png] Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Moffett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 17:18 An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? FDD would lower round trip latency for one thing. Frequency re-use is still achievable with FDD. For example if two devices on the tower are listening on the same channel, then neither is talking on that channel....therefore neither one interferes with the other. You'd still have to watch out for stations hearing two AP's on the same channel, but (for example) back to back re-use should be ok with or without sync. The trouble with FDD in 802.16d was lower throughput. You had to use smaller channel sizes to get sufficient separation between tx and rx. In an unlicensed band you could do something like 2.4 tx and 5.x rx. Or 5.1-5.2 for rx and 5.7-5.8 for tx. In those cases you've got a big enough band to use a whole 20mhz channel. I don't know why nobody's done it already....there are probably challenges I don't understand. Or maybe it just costs too much. ------ Original Message ------ From: "castarritt ." <castarr...@gmail.com<mailto:castarr...@gmail.com>> To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Sent: 12/8/2016 10:36:06 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Why would you want to run FDD for PTMP? Wouldn't that prevent using sync for frequency re-use? On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net<mailto:s...@genias.net>> wrote: If the announced stuff happens (I am not sure with this as UBNT failed to deliver all promises as does several other manufacterers in the present and past) it will be different than 450m. What is most interesting to me that they claim it to work TDD or FDD. Then it will be the first affordable FDD PTMP Platform. This is nothing 450 can do. If Ubnt will do massive mimo is questionable. They talked „advanced mimo patterns“ but who knows. I have learned to see and use what is buyable. Vendor promises are „might happen“. Seen this with cambium, mikrotik, ubnt, mimosa, mercurynets, … Von: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com<mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>] Im Auftrag von Mike Hammett Gesendet: Donnerstag, 8. Dezember 2016 13:04 An: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Betreff: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? LTU should be a PMP-like platform at a lower cost. It should check lots of boxes. It won't be a 450m, though. ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions<http://www.ics-il.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/googleicon.png]<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/ICSIL> Midwest Internet Exchange<http://www.midwest-ix.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/linkedinicon.png]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/twittericon.png]<https://twitter.com/mdwestix> The Brothers WISP<http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> [http://www.ics-il.com/images/fbicon.png]<https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>[http://www.ics-il.com/images/youtubeicon.png] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> ________________________________ From: "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com<mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> To: "af" <af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com>> Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 10:46:10 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? Elevate, as far as I can tell, is designed to provide a non-forklift migration path to ePMP. I don't see either Elevate or ePMP playing to the same market is the AirFiber LTU or the 450-derived platforms (including Medusa). My best guess from everything I've read and heard is that the AirFiber LTU is going to live in the spot between the ePMP/802.11 derived radios and the 450m, both in price and performance. Put differently: 802.11<ePMP<AirFiber LTU<450i<450m. (Or maybe switch 450i and Airfiber LTU, or change < to =) -forrest On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Timothy Steele <timothy.pct...@gmail.com<mailto:timothy.pct...@gmail.com>> wrote: It's called Airfiber LTU the AP will have a SFP port they designed all the Chips ground up for WISP's only And working sync obviously from the Motorola guys the win cambium is having with epmp elevate is going to be very short lived tables about to turn on cambium in a big way and I think that's why they are taking a huge risk of getting into legal trouble from UBNT but I don't think Robert cares as he already knows he won the end game On Wed, Dec 7, 2016, 8:49 PM Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Sorta did in Vegas, but didn't really change the stock with that news. Not that coming out with the product would really do that. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Dec 7, 2016 5:52 PM, "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com<mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote: Announcement of AF PTMP?? On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:48 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com<mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote: Ubnt is at an all time high. Last peak was March 2014. Just over 5 years old, pretty cool to watch it go up and down. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340<tel:937-552-2340> Direct: 937-552-2343<tel:937-552-2343> 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Josh Reynolds <j...@kyneticwifi.com<mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: Lol On Dec 7, 2016 3:19 PM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com<mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: Are they publically traded? 4th quarter sales bookings but not shipping? From: That One Guy /sarcasm Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2016 2:17 PM To:af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? They had a banner 2016, they pissed in robert peras Christmas porridge, maybe theyre pushing out that shine for 2017 On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 3:11 PM, Daniel White <afmu...@gmail.com<mailto:afmu...@gmail.com>> wrote: Very very few have shipped from Cambium. Expect to hear a lot more this month. Daniel White Managing Director – Hardware Distribution Sales ConVergence Technologies Cell: +1 (303) 746-3590<tel:%28303%29%20746-3590> dwh...@converge-tech.com<mailto:dwh...@converge-tech.com> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:37 PM To: af@afmug.com<mailto:af@afmug.com> Subject: [AFMUG] 450m , No News is Good News? So, more then a month out and no 450M operator with raving reviews? Is this a dud? 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