lol, i had a 48 v gigabit powerinjector and new syncpipe prepped for the day even until we went to load the config to the 2000s and realized the lite licence, the syncinjector is limited to 30 volts, so i couldnt even have just swapped the power supply. live and learn
On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 4:21 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: > Ah, yeah, the 24v isn't enough. Gotta use 48v. > > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> > <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> > Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> > <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> > The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> > <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> > > > <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> > ------------------------------ > *From: *"That One Guy /sarcasm" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > *To: *af@afmug.com > *Sent: *Friday, January 6, 2017 4:18:36 PM > *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison > > i just got bit answering my own question. we had to swap an APC today at a > site with epmp1000 APs on it (was going to swap to 2000, but realized we > had lite APs and no keys) in the short outage, maybe a minute and a half, > the radio temp dropped enough it wouldnt come backup, this is running off a > gigabit syncinjector, but only 24 volt power supply. the heater never could > warm this one up, just flashed the ethernet every thirty seconds or so, had > to swap to a stand alone power supply. I guess commercial grade equipment > really is important... it was cold up there > > On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:40 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> No, I believe the uplink % is going away permanently. >> >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> True. I'm on 3.1. Does 3.2 fix the upload %? >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 1/6/2017 12:49:32 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison >>> >>> You're not using 3.2. >>> >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343> >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I have nothing against adding another feature of course, but you can >>>> get the value now: >>>> 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.21.2.1.54 divided by 1.3.6.1.4.1.17713.21.2.1.52 >>>> >>>> I'm more concerned that the upload values always come out to 100%. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Sent: 1/6/2017 11:58:58 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison >>>> >>>> If you're interested in this feature please upvote and prove Cambium >>>> wrong! :) >>>> >>>> http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/Your- >>>> Ideas/SNMP-OID-for-Downlink-Frame-Time/idi-p/65875 >>>> >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340> >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343> >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:52 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think I've upvoted it. Post a link here. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 5, 2017 6:23:21 PM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison >>>>> >>>>> Bullshit. I even opened a feature request on their community site. >>>>> Nearly a year ago. >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 7:18 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So I've got to ask, who all wants the SNMP down link % feature? >>>>>> Cambium says I'm the only one that's ever asked for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340> >>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343> >>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 5, 2017 6:20 PM, "Craig Schmaderer" <cr...@skywaveconnect.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is a link 3 miles out running at 150/20 on a 30mhz channel. I >>>>>>> don't use epmp can you run bigger channels. Im sure its a good product >>>>>>> but >>>>>>> with the flexibility of going to 450m and the stableness of the platform >>>>>>> (gamers love 450) if i had the budget i wouldn't think twice. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> [image: Image] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Mathew Howard < >>>>>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:26:45 PM >>>>>>> *To:* af >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At least the browser back button works properly now! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Josh Luthman < >>>>>>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GUI improved in 3.2 I think >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Josh Luthman >>>>>>>> Office: 937-552-2340 <%28937%29%20552-2340> >>>>>>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 <%28937%29%20552-2343> >>>>>>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>>>>>> Suite 1337 >>>>>>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Josh Baird <joshba...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It's mainly JS (client side) that makes the GUI so dreadful. But, >>>>>>>>> I think it's improved greatly in 3.x. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Stefan Englhardt <s...@genias.net> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I realy would not dare to do this with ePMP. Guess scrolling thru >>>>>>>>>> 120 entries with the webinterface will kill the AP ;-)). >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Von:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *Im Auftrag von *Mathew >>>>>>>>>> Howard >>>>>>>>>> *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 5. Januar 2017 20:27 >>>>>>>>>> *An:* af <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>> *Betreff:* Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yes... this isn't airmax we're talking about... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I haven't heard of any problems related to the number of SM's >>>>>>>>>> with ePMP. You're obviously going to run out of capacity if you have >>>>>>>>>> too >>>>>>>>>> many, but I imagine if they were all low use connections it'd handle >>>>>>>>>> 120 >>>>>>>>>> just fine. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Right....IMO the number of subscribers the thing can efficiently >>>>>>>>>> handle is basically irrelevant because you'll run out of capacity >>>>>>>>>> before >>>>>>>>>> you hit that number. That's probably true with a lot of stuff these >>>>>>>>>> days. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> From: "Josh Baird" <joshba...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 1/5/2017 2:08:32 PM >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have ePMP AP's with 55 subs that are doing just fine. >>>>>>>>>> Probably won't load any more on it due to high downlink utilization >>>>>>>>>> during >>>>>>>>>> peak usage. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Over 20-30 subs not recommended by whom? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> When I talked to Cambium about subscriber density, they said >>>>>>>>>> they've tested with up to 120, but suggested keeping it under 65. I >>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>> have an ePMP AP with 43 SM's at this point, no trouble that I'm >>>>>>>>>> aware of. >>>>>>>>>> It hits abou 60% air utilization at peak times. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>>>>> From: "Trey Scarborough" <t...@3dsc.co> >>>>>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>>>>> Sent: 1/5/2017 9:21:24 AM >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] epmp vs 450 comparison >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Your biggest difference is your throughput per MHZ your epmp will >>>>>>>>>> do less bandwidth in a 20mhz channel than a 450. he other big >>>>>>>>>> difference is >>>>>>>>>> subscriber density. It is not recommended to go over 20-30 subs per >>>>>>>>>> AP on >>>>>>>>>> epmp without loss of performance. I regularly see 450 APs with 70+ >>>>>>>>>> subs per >>>>>>>>>> AP. With Medusa I have seen over 130. As far as the Medusa not being >>>>>>>>>> field >>>>>>>>>> proven you may not have field tested it yet, but I know for a fact >>>>>>>>>> it has >>>>>>>>>> been tested and running on networks for some time now and a viable >>>>>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you have any more questions feel free to hit me up off list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/5/2017 7:36 AM, David Milholen wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The radios on these 2 are entirely different. One is using std >>>>>>>>>> based >>>>>>>>>> radio and the other completely proprietary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since framing will be slightly different and so will processing >>>>>>>>>> delay. >>>>>>>>>> The stds based radio gets close to mimicking the >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 450 series but thats strictly based on Cambium magic. Capacity and >>>>>>>>>> sustained rates per VC is the where you will see a difference. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Latency will be very consistent from ap to sub. PMP450i is where >>>>>>>>>> its at. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/4/2017 2:55 PM, That One Guy /sarcasm wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> if im running 75/25, epmp is roughly 87mb capacity, 450 93mb >>>>>>>>>> capacity >>>>>>>>>> is this correct? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> are efficiencies batter on 450 if installation is the same? ie, >>>>>>>>>> if I >>>>>>>>>> forlifted one AP with 17 epmps to 450, where would my gains be >>>>>>>>>> assuming everything stays installed in the same spot. Its not >>>>>>>>>> like the >>>>>>>>>> FCC gives 450 any more power than epmp, so path loss should be >>>>>>>>>> the same. >>>>>>>>>> Im looking at this epmp 1000 sector thats running overall about >>>>>>>>>> 64-7% >>>>>>>>>> efficient with 17 subscribers and wondering what the gain is to >>>>>>>>>> move >>>>>>>>>> to 450 (exclude medusa, as its not field proven) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the >>>>>>>>>> team. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >> > > > -- > If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team > as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. > > -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
