Hi Eric, another option is 450i and 450m can use the 5.1 band (i think 450m is still waiting for FCC)
right now the only SM available for 5.1Ghz is the 450i SM which is expensive, but cambium is supposed to release really soon a new wideband 450SM that can do 4.9-6Ghz. You can probably gain some efficiencies with the 450m because if your SMs are physically spread out enough then it can talk to several SMs at the same time. also just FYI I'm not part of the +1 slapping crowd...we all need to do what we need to do to sling interwebs in our areas. I was merely pointing out that the symptoms you described sounded like low modulation rate SMs. I'm not here to bash or berate anyone, just here to help find solutions because others have helped me along the way :-) -Sean On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:21 PM, Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com> wrote: > Sean, > > We are about half 5.4 and half 5.8. You need you to understand that in > this particular case we have about 20+ AP's crammed in a town about 2.5 > square miles along with two other wireless internet providers. The > frequency coordination and high noise floor is the primary reason for 1x > and 2x connections. On top of that we have around 3k subscribers and 30 > roaming combination techs installing CPE all across western Kansas. You may > have complete oversight of where and when you install customers... I simply > do not have that luxury. I preach the importance of quality installs > constantly, but between their supervisors, marketing teams and pressure > from customers, they install what they feel comfortable. The install tech > has full discretion, for better or for worse. In the face of all this, 2x > subs sometimes get installed. I understand fully that we made our own bed > here. It is what it is. This is why I say "in a perfect world". > > As I said before, we truck-rolled our entire customer base for those who > have poor/marginal signals. We made significant improvements but only > gained very little in capacity for our efforts. In hindsight, it cost us > more than we gained. Hence the reason I ask if 450i has any significant > improvements over vanilla 450. > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 12:48 PM, Sean Heskett <af...@zirkel.us> wrote: > >> eric are any of your APs using the 5.4 band? >> >> you could put up some additional APs in the 5.4 band and migrate the >> close-in clients to them to provide more capacity. >> >> -sean >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 10:52 AM, Eric Muehleisen <ericm...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In a perfect world. >>> >>> On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 11:32 AM, Kurt Fankhauser < >>> lists.wavel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> You shouldn't be putting any clients on a 450AP with less than 4x >>>> connections, when they start pulling a lot of traffic they significantly >>>> choke the AP. Whoever engineered those links needs slapped. I know it >>>> probably looked like a good idea at the time to add a new customer but a >>>> couple low signal clients really affect total AP capacity. You could >>>> probably pull all the 1x and 2x clients and replace them with 10 times more >>>> customers running at 8x mnodulatio n and maintain the same utilization >>>> rates on that AP. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Craig Schmaderer < >>>> cr...@skywaveconnect.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Remember that even a couple of sms runing at 2x or 4x will kill your >>>>> peak performance if they are the ones that are usually streaming. We are >>>>> very careful on what aps we put low signals on and we control what plans >>>>> we >>>>> offer as well based on signal strength. I just can not have a 2x customer >>>>> want a 10mb plan. I do think that a 450i will definitely help with uplink >>>>> interference like others have said. But i think your best bet is to drop >>>>> the cash and put some 450m up on that tower. Sounds like that is a cash >>>>> cow tower like my main tower is. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Jon Langeler < >>>>> jon-ispli...@michwave.net> >>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2017 4:18:22 PM >>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] 450 vs 450i >>>>> >>>>> Put a Mikrotik behind an SM and speed test to the internet >>>>> >>>>> Jon Langeler >>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> > On Jan 19, 2017, at 1:08 PM, Brian Sullivan < >>>>> installe...@foxvalley.net> wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> > I would check out page 9-51 in the PMP 450x Configuration and User >>>>> Guide 15.0.2 >>>>> > >>>>> >> On 1/19/2017 11:37 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: >>>>> >> So how can we tell when we are really saturating the connection? >>>>> > >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >
