I’m fine with the opinions on the FCC - having dealt with them for 10 years there isn’t anything that I have not called them already.
Mark > On Feb 1, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I was only trying to comment on the technology and/or business investment, > not the politics. > > I'm a center leaning libertarian, I don't think the feds have any business > funding much of anything. That also means I have opinions about the FCC that > you don't want to hear. > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> > To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> > Sent: 2/1/2017 3:31:55 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these > >> Adam, >> >> >> So 2 questions for you (or anyone)… >> >> Do you think the government should fund private companies to build fiber >> everywhere because 10Mb won’t be sufficient for the “need”, not the “want”. >> Do we as a country spend a lot of public money to effectively create a >> monopoly fiber carrier in every region? Or is it better to make sure >> everyone has access to 10Mb and allow the free market to compete for the >> “want”? To me the former creates a monopoly with government money with all >> of it’s inefficiencies and long term harm to the consumer. The latter >> takes longer but has a better chance of staying competitive. >> >> The ‘monopoly last mile provider’ model is probably not going to happen in >> the US. While it could I don’t see any current political chance of that >> happening. >> >> Given the major providers as well as the wanna-be’s like Google are giving >> up on FTTH builds in favor of fiber -> 5G builds now, why should the FCC >> still be pushing the FTTX only model? >> >> Given 5G is little more than hype at this point I have my doubts that the >> model will actually work, but that’s another story. >> >> I’m asking these questions in the WISPA FCC chair capacity because I want to >> understand what our policy should be, keeping in mind that government >> funding schemes are rarely friendly to small companies and often result in >> significant harm. >> >> As Amplex - I’m building fiber to towers, FTTH on the routes to the towers >> and in wooded areas I can’t otherwise serve, and creating micro pops along >> the way on the fiber routes. Personally I think that is the winning answer >> for the future - but that’s just me. >> >> Mark >> >> >>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 2:55 PM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> >>> I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg. >>> 10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're >>> using it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment. >>> >>> Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as >>> long as I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me >>> a happy and contented consumer for the foreseeable future. >>> >>> Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard >>> delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the >>> need of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then >>> in the long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it >>> will end up being replaced. >>> >>> There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and >>> you can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent >>> answer is going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future >>> you'll be looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private >>> funding or government subsidy. >>> >>> This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.....but >>> facts is facts. >>> >>> -Adam >>> >>> >>> >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> >>> To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>> Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM >>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current >>>> standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with >>>> wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb. I still think there is a >>>> very valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services >>>> that the government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, >>>> education). 25/3 is more about entertainment than anything else and I >>>> don’t see where this is a taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in >>>> my little town too - but I don’t expect the government to fund them. >>>> >>>> The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and >>>> are really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make >>>> it work (and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until >>>> getting traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - >>>> why would we still be forcing this in rural areas? >>>> >>>> The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate >>>> phone revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death >>>> soon unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> Mark Radabaugh >>>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair >>>> fcc_ch...@wispa.org <mailto:fcc_ch...@wispa.org> >>>> 419-261-5996 >>>> >>>>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com >>>>> <mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house >>>>> every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in >>>>> areas like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house. >>>>> >>>>> From: That One Guy /sarcasm <> >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM >>>>> To: <>af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>> >>>>> If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service >>>>> the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie < >>>>> <>j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com >>>>> <mailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com>> wrote: >>>>>> You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco, >>>>>> so I wouldn't hold my breath. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm < >>>>>> <>thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>>>> i think that bank account may be closed very soon >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh < <>m...@amplex.net >>>>>>> <mailto:m...@amplex.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and the >>>>>>>> only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to >>>>>>>> orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need >>>>>>>> more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do >>>>>>>> it this year or next. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark Radabaugh >>>>>>>> WISPA FCC Committee Chair >>>>>>>> <>fcc_ch...@wispa.org <mailto:fcc_ch...@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> 419-261-5996 <tel:(419)%20261-5996> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett < <>af...@ics-il.net >>>>>>>>> <mailto:af...@ics-il.net>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> >>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> >>>>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> >>>>>>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> >>>>>>>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> >>>>>>>>> From: "Darin Steffl" < <>darin.ste...@mnwifi.com >>>>>>>>> <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> >>>>>>>>> To: <>af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are >>>>>>>>> very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth >>>>>>>>> requirements with only bonded T1's anymore. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds < >>>>>>>>> <>j...@kyneticwifi.com <mailto:j...@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps >>>>>>>>>> link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by >>>>>>>>>> anything short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really >>>>>>>>>> tried on any of the E7-2s I've used in the past though :) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" < >>>>>>>>>> <>li...@packetflux.com <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these shelves? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest was >>>>>>>>>>> feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl < >>>>>>>>>>> <>darin.ste...@mnwifi.com <mailto:darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of CAF >>>>>>>>>>>> funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the >>>>>>>>>>>> census blocks they took funding for. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before, expect >>>>>>>>>>>> them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL >>>>>>>>>>>> speeds to customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really >>>>>>>>>>>> close customers, they may see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson < >>>>>>>>>>>> <>cpeter...@portnetworks.com >>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> As someone already said, its clearly and E3. >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup < >>>>>>>>>>>>> <>george.sko...@cbcast.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:george.sko...@cbcast.com>>wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regen would be my guess. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide customers >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vdsl2 along that route. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Carl Peterson" < <>cpeter...@portnetworks.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <>af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calix. I'd guess G.Fast >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <>j...@bluebitnetworks.com <mailto:j...@bluebitnetworks.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone know what these are? They are popping up on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fairly rural >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> areas of our coverage areas and on the state highways. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mime-attachment.txt> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <image1.JPG> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Carl Peterson >>>>>>>>>>>>> PORT NETWORKS >>>>>>>>>>>>> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553 >>>>>>>>>>>>> Baltimore, MD 21202 >>>>>>>>>>>>> (410) 637-3707 <tel:%28410%29%20637-3707> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Darin Steffl >>>>>>>>>>>> Minnesota WiFi >>>>>>>>>>>> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> >>>>>>>>>>>> 507-634-WiFi >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>>>>>> Tel: 406-449-3345 <> | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT >>>>>>>>>>> 59602 >>>>>>>>>>> <>forre...@imach.com <mailto:forre...@imach.com> | >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.packetflux.com <http://www.packetflux.com/> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/fwchristian> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://facebook.com/packetflux> <http://twitter.com/@packetflux> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Darin Steffl >>>>>>>>> Minnesota WiFi >>>>>>>>> www.mnwifi.com <http://www.mnwifi.com/> >>>>>>>>> 507-634-WiFi >>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> Like us on Facebook >>>>>>>>> <http://www.facebook.com/minnesotawifi> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your >>>>>>> team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team >>>>> as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
