I “need” at least 10 meg at home. I want to stream 2-3 things at once.
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 12:55 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
I agree with you on the need. In my mind, nobody "needs" more than 1meg.
10meg generally makes them happy and not have too fuss about how they're using
it (for now). They "want" 25-100 meg for all their entertainment.
Put another way: I might only "need" 10 amps of electrical capacity as long as
I'm careful about how I'm using it, but my 200 amp service makes me a happy and
contented consumer for the foreseeable future.
Regardless of what anyone "needs", fiber is going to end up the standard
delivery mechanism for data because it will meet the need of today and the need
of next year and the next 50 years. If you build anything else, then in the
long run you'll have people still clamoring for improvement and it will end up
being replaced.
There's nothing wrong with meeting the immediate need with wireless, and you
can absolutely make money doing it, but the long term and permanent answer is
going to be fiber. So if you want to stay relevant in the future you'll be
looking at how to get into that game whether it's with private funding or
government subsidy.
This is a WISP, we're a WISPA member, and I want WISP's to succeed.....but
facts is facts.
-Adam
------ Original Message ------
From: "Mark Radabaugh" <m...@amplex.net>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: 2/1/2017 2:11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Chuck,
Explain why we would have to bury fiber for that customer when the current
standard for ‘served’ for Internet is 10Mbps which is easily done with
wireless, and “Advanced Broadband” is 25/3Mb. I still think there is a very
valid argument that 10Mbps is more than sufficient for the services that the
government should be guaranteeing (phone, telemedicine, education). 25/3 is
more about entertainment than anything else and I don’t see where this is a
taxpayer obligation. I want Broadway shows in my little town too - but I
don’t expect the government to fund them.
The major carriers are moving away from landlines as fast as they can and are
really looking to replace all last mile with wireless if they can make it work
(and they think they can). I don’t think it will be long until getting
traditional landline service in the city is no longer an option - why would we
still be forcing this in rural areas?
The other issue is the cash cow that funded USF for years (intrastate phone
revenue) is rapidly diminishing and will finish it's spiral of death soon
unless the contribution base is expanded to broadband.
Mark
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 12:38 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:
Depends on what you call rural. I have served areas with perhaps 1 house
every 5 miles. You are not going to find a wisp willing to build out in areas
like that. I plowed 20 miles of fiber for one single house.
From: That One Guy /sarcasm
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2017 10:34 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
If WISPA does their job well, small business can more effectively service
the rural markets than the telcos, for alot less money
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Jason McKemie
<j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote:
You think? It seems like the Republicans are in the pocket of big telco,
so I wouldn't hold my breath.
On Wednesday, February 1, 2017, That One Guy /sarcasm
<thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> wrote:
i think that bank account may be closed very soon
On Wed, Feb 1, 2017 at 8:18 AM, Mark Radabaugh <m...@amplex.net> wrote:
Lipstick on a pig. The copper in still rotting in the ground and
the only approved Centurylink fix appears to be the upgrade from black to
orange trash bags. Except when those are out of stock.
Centurylink will be back to the FCC shortly crying about how the need
more support money to fix the plant. The only question is if they do it this
year or next.
Mark Radabaugh
WISPA FCC Committee Chair
fcc_ch...@wispa.org
419-261-5996
On Feb 1, 2017, at 8:15 AM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote:
They couldn't before either, but they didn't give a shit.
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
Midwest Internet Exchange
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From: "Darin Steffl" <darin.ste...@mnwifi.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 11:49:50 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
These should all be fiber fed. Any new DSLAM's with CAF funding are
very likely fiber fed. They just can't support the bandwidth requirements with
only bonded T1's anymore.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 11:34 PM, Josh Reynolds
<j...@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
One would suspect a calix e7-2 or e7-20 (2Tbps backplane, 100Gbps
link to each line card). I don't think you can even feed those by anything
short of at least a gig ethernet circuit. I never really tried on any of the
E7-2s I've used in the past though :)
On Jan 31, 2017 11:29 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)"
<li...@packetflux.com> wrote:
Out of curiosity, do you know how are they feeding these
shelves?
I know that in at least one case a couple of years ago, Qwest
was feeding an entire neighborhood on I think 4 T1's.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 5:06 PM, Darin Steffl
<darin.ste...@mnwifi.com> wrote:
Exactly. Calix VDSL2 Remote DSLAM. These are the result of
CAF funding from Govt. to provide minimum 10/1 Mbps speeds to the census blocks
they took funding for.
If Centurylink had crappy or no DSL in these areas before,
expect them to be able to offer somewhat functional to excellent DSL speeds to
customers in range of these remote DSLAMs. For really close customers, they may
see up to 40/1 Mbps speeds.
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 3:54 PM, Carl Peterson
<cpeter...@portnetworks.com> wrote:
As someone already said, its clearly and E3.
https://www.calix.com/systems/e-series/e3-e5-dsl.html
On Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 4:18 PM, George Skorup
<george.sko...@cbcast.com> wrote:
Regen would be my guess.
On 1/31/2017 2:45 PM, Tim Reichhart wrote:
it got fiber ran into it for remote dslam to provide
customers vdsl2 along that route.
Tim
-----Original Message-----
From: "Carl Peterson" <cpeter...@portnetworks.com>
To: af@afmug.com
Date: 01/31/17 03:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] CenturyLink installing these
Calix. I'd guess G.Fast
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 31, 2017, at 3:07 PM, Josh Corson
<j...@bluebitnetworks.com> wrote:
Does anyone know what these are? They are popping
up on fairly rural
areas of our coverage areas and on the state
highways.
Thanks
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