I agree. The politics on this list, on radio, on TV sucks. I have switched to listening to classical music on the radio because NPR has nothing but the same thing all day since last summer. I do not watch TV news. You cannot seem to be able to get away from it. So google news is my news source.
However this list is like San Francisco sourdough. People try to replicate it but unless you have the spores in the air, you ain’t gonna get the flavor. From: Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2017 10:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Paul's SUMMARY: List topics and verboseness of non-WISPnon-business related discussions Here is a novel concept. If it’s not 100% wisp related don’t worry about a subject header cus it’s not a political list. :-) If you want to join a political list go to Facebook or a ton of other places you can comment. How many of you walk into the hardware store and start up discussions about politics? Maybe some do. I know i would feel kinda douchey if I did. Mailing lists, IMHO, as targeted troves of information. I am a GI Joe collector and I subscribe to several lists. The ones I no longer subscribe to are ones that got too off topic. Part of it is the medium. Look at several of the WISP Facebook groups. Very little off topic conversation because it’s easy to share. E-mail is a little harder just share something. I agree with Paul. Take the policies, that are not 100% WISP related, somewhere else. If you don’t, this list will dry up. Probably another may or may not pop up, but it will go through the same cycle. Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net --- http://www.mtin.net Owner/CEO xISP Solutions- Consulting – Data Centers - Bandwidth http://www.midwest-ix.com COO/Chairman Internet Exchange - Peering - Distributed Fabric On Mar 2, 2017, at 11:27 AM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: My comment truly was NOT about cost. I GLADLY did this to support Chuck and support the valued members that found the list a great resource. PDMNet wanted to give back to the WISP community. Just for the record, the list costs about $ 150 /month (varies slightly by traffic) on an AWS server, plus $ 99 /month for medium priority support. I could cut out the support probably because we haven’t needed it now for at least 6 months. At the time, there was a LOT of setup, and I mean a LOT to fully integrate properly with AWS. They are very particular to how email flows, their API etc. We had this discussion early on, and I believe we made the right decision. After the loooong setup, we haven’t deal with a server based delivery issue in over a year. No getting blacklisted, no other drama. We wanted simple and stable and relatively maintenance free. I love maintenance free. I love the light-hearted nature of the members and until the political season came, the “extra stuff” didn’t phase me (or others). I absolutely LOVE hear about Travis other business efforts, or stocks people are investing or anything like that. That’s what USED TO BE labeled as OT: I wouldn’t want to filter that. I love hearing what this groups other opinions are on a multitude of OT subjects. On the flip side, I can’t stand the absolute garbage that gets spewed (JMO) over and over… and over. We get it. You don’t like the president AT ALL. You want to continue to trash him ALL the time. We get it. We truly do. You have fully expressed yourself. You won’t change anybody’s mind who does hatse the president or his policies. Ever. Move on. PLEASE. JMO As Forrest said, the better we get at running our business, the less technical questions get asked and the group has a social feel. While it does take just a while to delete the obvious junk by its title, it seems to creep into many other “normal threads” also. The last 6 months, good contributing members have become distant or gone completely. Some people do not want to have to sort through the muck. Same reason I chose to never watch CNN or FoxNews on TV. It’s mostly garbage. Sometimes people don’t complain. They just go away. I chose to say something. Chuck wants the list to be self-policing. Create a new subject header like PRS: for blatantly Political, Religious, and Social) or something similar and then we can truly filter that “stuff” so we never see it. Paul From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Paul Stewart Sent: Thursday, March 2, 2017 6:57 AM To: Animal Farm <af@afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] List topics and verboseness of non-WISP non-business related discussions I offered before to run it for free …. just saying .. and I know there were others too … Running mailing lists isn’t a major investment especially if you already have the infrastructure (which I do) Paul On Mar 1, 2017, at 3:12 PM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> wrote: I agree. The list keeps me out of the bar. I know it's too far to drive anyway, but it's my excuse. I would be happy to through in something to avoid draining Paul's bank account. There are plenty of us. Couldn't be more than $100/month each. bp On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 12:09 PM, Josh Luthman <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote: I can two click delete emails from this list, last few weeks have been utter garbage for sure. What's the monthly cost of the list? I think those of us that have benefited from it could throw a few bucks to help you out. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Paul McCall <pa...@pdmnet.net> wrote: I shared this with Chuck McCown, and he suggested I share this with the list directly, so here goes. Just FYI, in my normal business conversations with WISPs, I get one or two people a week tell me they no longer look at the list because of all the BS, politics, etc. I also don’t use AFMUG nearly as much as I used to because of that. While it costs me $$ for every email sent (I have never complained), AWS is very solid and reliable, so it was a great choice. That’s not the point of my comment. People need to take that junk to some other venue, so we can focus on important technology and business needs, IMO. It probably won’t change but it’s my 2 cents. Paul Paul McCall, President PDMNet, Inc. / Florida Broadband, Inc. 658 Old Dixie Highway Vero Beach, FL 32962 772-564-6800 pa...@pdmnet.net www.pdmnet.com www.floridabroadband.com
