I think you are answering No to the wrong question. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 5:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
For clarification: Currently no: ERP, ERPS, Trill, SPB, FabricPath, ITU G8032, ITU G8032v2, MC-LAG, etc I probably missed some Netgear variant or someshit... On Mar 28, 2017 6:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote: Again: NO On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> wrote: No? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON Nope... Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> wrote: Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway. Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings. From: Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of PE R <[email protected]> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf. Gino Villarini President Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that. For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, and a lot lower battery requirements. I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, to be fair. On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: Yes and no. Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you locate the splitters or switches. On AE you battery back the switch. On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM. At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs. -or- You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. From: Josh Reynolds Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery backup. Etc. On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON. If you had 16 or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON. But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON. If you do AE like Sterling I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON. With PON you still have to have a drop to each home. The cost of the cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself. So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place the switch and SFPs. Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new greenfield. The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations. I have to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this. Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc. Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to tackle. It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures. Less junk at the head end too. I haven't gotten that far yet, but I was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON. You're saying maybe not? ------ Original Message ------ From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON I would be worried that it will go the way of some of their other ideas. Cheap... you get what you pay for. FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in the years to come. Not an area where you want to scrimp. If you want to scrimp go active ethernet. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON Well....I have to build with what's available today. If I delay to wait for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting. Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that other vendors don't. I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's less important to me than having it just work. -Adam ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jon Langeler" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc. On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote: I asked the Alphion sales rep about this. He says the optics are coded, yes. As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from another he said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at all is going to be a matter of chance. ------ Original Message ------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON. Jared
