But for the price among other nice things, who cares. Throw two uplinks to it 
and do the fancy stuff on a core switch/router if desired. 

Jon Langeler
Michwave Technologies, Inc.


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 7:46 PM, Josh Reynolds <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> For clarification:
> 
> Currently no: ERP, ERPS, Trill, SPB, FabricPath, ITU G8032, ITU G8032v2, 
> MC-LAG, etc
> 
> I probably missed some Netgear variant or someshit...
> 
> On Mar 28, 2017 6:40 PM, "Josh Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Again: NO
> 
> On Mar 28, 2017 6:26 PM, "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> wrote:
>> No?
>> 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_Ring_Protection_Switching
>> 
>> From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Josh Reynolds 
>> <[email protected]>
>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 6:51 PM
>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>> 
>> Nope...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Gino Villarini
>> 
>> President
>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>> <aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png>
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017 5:38 PM, "Gino Villarini" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> Huh ist it G8032? Even Planet Sw have it
>>> 
>>> From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Josh Reynolds 
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> Date: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 at 4:35 PM
>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>> 
>>> No Erps, that's a Extreme Networks standard anyway.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Gino Villarini
>>> 
>>> President
>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>> <aeronet-logo_310cfc3e-6691-4f69-bd49-b37b834b9238.png>
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2017 3:18 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Interesting in knowing if the uplink will do erps rings.
>>>>  
>>>> From: Gino Villarini
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 2:16 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] the unicorn is here! was: Small Scale PON
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: Af <[email protected]> on behalf of PE R <[email protected]>
>>>> Reply-To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>> Date: Monday, March 27, 2017 at 7:52 PM
>>>> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>>  
>>>> OLT subscriber ranges can actually range to 512 (vs 256) per OLT or 
>>>> higher, or, mix with XGS in the same shelf.
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> Gino Villarini
>>>> 
>>>> President
>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From: Josh Reynolds <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected] 
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 5:06 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>>  
>>>> Put it this way, for each connection on AE you have two SFP optics and a 
>>>> port on a switch. You also probably want to battery back that.
>>>>  
>>>> For gpon you just push your 8 or 16 or 32 subs to a splitter that can fit 
>>>> inside someone's pocket and then single strand to your OLT with your 
>>>> non-$800 or so from what I remember Calix Pon optic :P
>>>>  
>>>> Battery back the OLT, sure, but that's anywhere from 64 to 256 subs per, 
>>>> and a lot lower battery requirements.
>>>>  
>>>> I think your Calix experience has really skewed you to what's out there, 
>>>> to be fair.
>>>>  
>>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:58 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Yes and no.  Pretty much the same amount of fiber depending on where you 
>>>> locate the splitters or switches.
>>>>  
>>>> On AE you battery back the switch. 
>>>> On GPON you battery back the OLT/OIM. 
>>>>  
>>>> At the remote cabinet, you either have a cheap switch and SFPs.
>>>> -or-
>>>> You have an expensive OLT/OIM and splitter. 
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: Josh Reynolds
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:53 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>>  
>>>> AE requires a lot more electronics and optics. And fiber. And battery 
>>>> backup. Etc.
>>>>  
>>>> On Mar 27, 2017 4:33 PM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> Years ago, there was a break even point on active vs PON.  If you had 16 
>>>> or more in an area that could take a PON it was worth doing the PON.
>>>> But that was comparing Calix AE vs Calix PON.  If you do AE like Sterling 
>>>> I don't think PON is ever cost effective compared to Calix PON.
>>>> 
>>>> With PON you still have to have a drop to each home.  The cost of  the 
>>>> cable is in the placement, not in the cable itself.
>>>> So the question is, where do you place the splitter vs where do you place 
>>>> the switch and SFPs.  Personally, I would do it Sterling style on new 
>>>> greenfield.  The ONLY reason I do it with the expensive PON is we are a 
>>>> regulated common carrier with provider of last resort obligations.  I have 
>>>> to give POTS that is battery backed up, legally required to do this.
>>>> 
>>>> Cannot risk a 911 call not going through due to a power outage etc.  
>>>> Cannot trust the customer to not unplug a UPS.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 3:11 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>> 
>>>> Yeah, so PON vs AE was actually the next research project for me to
>>>> tackle.
>>>> 
>>>> It seems like there ought to be savings with PON because of lower fiber
>>>> count.....lower fiber count ought to lead to smaller/cheaper enclosures.
>>>> Less junk at the head end too.  I haven't gotten that far yet, but I
>>>> was thinking I might "scrimp" with PON.  You're saying maybe not?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 4:54:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>> 
>>>> I would be worried that it will go the way of some of  their other ideas.
>>>> Cheap... you get what you pay for.
>>>> 
>>>> FTTH, I would rather pay more and know it will be solid and be around in 
>>>> the years to come.
>>>> Not an area where you want to scrimp.  If you want to scrimp go active 
>>>> ethernet.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Adam Moffett
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 12:56 PM
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>> 
>>>> Well....I have to build with what's available today.  If I delay to wait
>>>> for the next hot product, I'll always be waiting.
>>>> 
>>>> Besides, I honestly don't know what Ubiquiti brings to the table that
>>>> other vendors don't.  I suppose it will be cost competitive, but that's
>>>> less important to me than having it just work.
>>>> 
>>>> -Adam
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Jon Langeler" <[email protected]>
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: 3/27/2017 2:52:03 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>> 
>>>> With ubiquiti shipping real soon, you might want to wait
>>>> 
>>>> Jon Langeler
>>>> Michwave Technologies, Inc.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:47 PM, Adam Moffett <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I asked the Alphion sales rep about this.  He says the optics are coded, 
>>>> yes.  As far as mixing ONT from one vendor with an OLT from another he 
>>>> said in essence GPON is a standard, but it isn't usually tested across 
>>>> vendors so whether it works fine, works with bugs, or doesn't work at all 
>>>> is going to be a matter of chance.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: [email protected]
>>>> To: [email protected]
>>>> Sent: 3/23/2017 2:54:04 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small Scale PON
>>>> 
>>>> No, generally speaking there is no crossvendor compatibility with GPON.
>>>> 
>>>> Jared
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