How does the newer 900 MHz stuff get along with redwoods?

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 11:37 AM
To: Motorola III 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Current state of Hybrid Fiber/Wireless

There are at least a couple ways to do a "hybrid" system, depending on the 
situation. 

One is getting service to a remote community that is buried in trees. Use 
microwave to get to the neighborhood, and fiber to get around the neighborhood.

The second is a neighborhood that isn't so "remote, and doesn't have that many 
trees. Use fiber to get to the neighborhood, and wireless to get the service 
around the neighborhood.

We have a few neighborhood that are buried within a grove of 300' (plus) 
redwood trees. Impossible to get any decent kind of wireless service in those.

However, we also have some of the second variety.

-bp


On Tue, Apr 4, 2017 at 10:10 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote:

  I'm thinking you put the AP on the utility pole.


  ------ Original Message ------
  From: "Mitch Koep" <af...@abwisp.com>
  To: af@afmug.com
  Sent: 4/4/2017 12:18:42 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Current state of Hybrid Fiber/Wireless


    What happens if the house with AP quits service??

    You loose the rest that are connected ??

    Tried that did not go well LOL

    So now use power poles or small pipe masts (30 to 40')


    On 04/04/2017 11:08 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

      Well, Utah...

      Like to hear reports from the rainy states.

      60 GHz is .19" wavelength or about .095" half wave or .0475" quarter wave.

      Rain drops can get up to .150" So they fall in the ranges of quarter to 
full wave length sizes.

      Moreover they will serve as miniature dielectric lenses.  And then there 
is oxygen absorption and water absorption.
      Even CO2, and fog causes problems.

      But should be noise free and you can certainly reuse frequencies all over 
because it will not go far enough to interfere if done right.


      -----Original Message----- From: Brett A Mansfield
      Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 9:59 AM
      To: af@afmug.com
      Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Current state of Hybrid Fiber/Wireless

      I have an Ignitenet PtP link that is half a mile that doesn't fade in the 
rain. I'm sure it will if it gets really heavy. There has been rain, but not 
heavy rain since I installed this link.

      Thank you,
      Brett A Mansfield


        On Apr 4, 2017, at 9:52 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote:

        Vivint and Google are both saying they are doing this.  No idea what 
kid of radios they are using.  I talked to a couple of Vivint locals at the 
AnimalFarm show.  They both claim to be getting 1 Gbps at their home with the 
millimeter radio.  I think it was 60 GHz.  I asked them if it stays up during 
rain and snow.  They claimed it did.  Assuming the path was a quarter mile or 
less.

        -----Original Message----- From: Sterling Jacobson
        Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2017 9:47 AM
        To: 'af@afmug.com'
        Subject: [AFMUG] Current state of Hybrid Fiber/Wireless

        Where are we with this concept as a WISP industry?

        Let's say I have $200k to invest and already have mainline fiber in or 
near to the neighborhoods.

        What equipment do I buy to get the best speeds to residential and small 
business customers?

        Is there equipment in the 60GHz or similar bands that are for 
sale/ready for use?

        Is the topology still to connect a house or two in the area with fiber 
and LOS to everyone else and deploy PtMP?

        Thoughts?





    -- Mitch Koep

    A Better Wireless
    218-851-8689 cell








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