We just did 2.7 miles for 10 people....but those 10 were willing to pay
something substantial up front.
It's no problem if they're paying for it.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 6/21/2017 2:12:53 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] private community fiber network
I guess I should have run a 10
10. is anybody able to justify 8050+ feet for 8 customers ROI on fiber
10a. this is a testbed, unrelated to the WISP I work for other than I
plan on backhauling into it for the boss, whether he owns the
customers, I own the customers or the subdivision owns the customers.
so theres no build out other than the radio link for the WISP, which is
close enough for af24, so its a WISP easy, even if we do the "last mile
(50-100 feet)"
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 12:15 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com>
wrote:
1) Never done it, but I'm pretty sure you bury conduit under the
bottom.
1a) Dunno.
2) You put a handhole wherever you'll need to pull, or anywhere you'll
need to put a splice enclosure.
3) Depends who wrote it. I think you'd have to read the terms of the
ROW/easement to know for sure. I had to cross a natural gas
pipeline.....they allow it, but their people had to be present for the
digging and they had some rules about marking the fiber. Railroad
easements are notoriously difficult to cross.
4) An easement gives you permanent rights to something, and yes it
stays with the property. I'm not sure if it ever goes away.
5) Dunno. Call the agency and ask them, or check their website. With
UFPO you can make the initial request on their website.
5a) Someone pays? Not around here.
6. pretty long. Do it anyway. Wireless won't meet demand forever
and you'll need to start getting into fiber to stay relevant in the
long term.
7. Google it.....but if it's just for these 8 houses why not 1"? You
won't need a very big cable.
8. I'm not clear if you're looking for a cable or a vendor. For
underground you want loose tube fiber. I just got a quote this very
day for a 12 fiber loose tube for $0.31/foot. Something like that
might be fine. Add a single THHN to use as a locator. I'm willing to
bet you can do whatever they want with just that cable and some clever
splicing.
9. Google it.
9a. I doubt it. Small Poly handholes (not traffic rated) are like
$40. "Small" is still big enough for a drop cable splice enclosure.
For traffic rated you're spending a few hundred per box....I'm still
not sure it's worth your labor time to make forms at that price, maybe
if you're really awesome at building forms.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>
To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
Sent: 6/20/2017 11:04:12 PM
Subject: [AFMUG] private community fiber network
A few questions, this being a family estate property that was
subdivided into different lots. There are 8 current homes, haven't
looked at a platt map yet to see how the lots are legally divided, so
there is that. This is about interconnecting and somewhere in the mix
bringing in interwebs. To run past all the current lots is roughly
8050 feet. There would be 4 "fingers" the longest being 3300 feet,
passing 3 houses with the longest distance between those 3 being 1400
feet, 300 feet of this would be underwater.
This is not a ROW, issue, they don't want it in ROW, I assume they
need some sort of legal easement on record for the duct. I know zero
about this.
Here are some questions:
1. the underwater part. is that normally duct or just underwater
fiber.
1a. this pond is stocked by DNR, does that require some crummy permit
to drop fiber into even though its privately owned, I don't know what
the trade off is for DNR stocking.
2. When passing a lot, do you normally put a handhole in each lot?
3. if a utility ROW is crossed, does that need a permit?
4. Whats the specific terminology, I think its easement, that makes
the duct accessible, like ROW, legally even if the property changes
hands
5. How does one get this buried cable/duct into a location service
database
5.a when a locate is called in who pays? (USIC is the locating agency
around here)
6.how much longer will this list of questions get before it gets too
hard
In this instance, it will all be cut trench, that's free, for them.
This is all unincorporated land in a county. however there has been a
history of forced incorporation attempts. should that happen, what
happens with this duct?
assuming there is some chatter on this, anticipate more detailed
questions on tech specs