Does it really though? My kids watch Netflix on my 4K TV, I'm not always
there making sure they're watching HD stuff instead of 4K, so it's not
something I think about. They download Minecraft mods on my PS4, it's
not something I sit there thinking about.
I'm not saying you can't do metered billing, and your argument is why
shouldn't someone pay more. I'm not saying not to charge them more. If
that is your business model, there is a legitimate argument to be made
that they should pay more.
However, the fact that games on the Xbox are now 100GB (and some cannot
be obtained by any means other than by downloading them) is not a
problem that is solved by metering - that's what I'm saying. If I own
that console, I buy a game, and the download is 100GB, I have no option
other than to download it and pay you extra. If you still don't have the
capacity at the AP to support multiple users all downloading 100GB games
at the same time, while others are streaming, and someone else is doing
Windows updates, the fact that I am willing to pay extra for additional
data transfer becomes completely irrelevant. This is why I am
recommending DPI - it solves the problem. UBB really doesn't, if your
issue is capacity, and you have no option to increase capacity due to
spectral limitations.
On 6/21/2017 1:06 PM, Mark - Myakka Technologies wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games? Simon,
But metered billing makes them think about what they are doing. Does
the baby need to be falling asleep watching a 4K movie? The best way
I can put it is renting an apartment with utilities included. If I'm
renting an apartment in FL with electric included, my AC is going to
be set at 68 24/7. The cat will be very comfortable all day, why
should I care. However, if I'm paying for electric, the cat will have
to deal with 78 during the day and I may have to deal with 72 when I
get home.
Bandwidth prices are dropping for some, but for others it is still
expensive. Not to mention the HW costs to upgrade your network to
handle the higher bandwidth internally.
4K tvs cost more to buy than 1080 or 720 TV's. Why should someone
who is willing to stream at 720 or pay for satellite TV, be forced to
pay the same as that guy that wants to watch in 4K. Why should a
single person who just needs dependable fast internet occasionally be
force to pay the same amount as the family with 6 kids and 30 devices?
Why should the kid willing to buy his game on a disc be forced to pay
the same as the guy who doesn't want to get up off the couch to change
a disc?
Why is it we are the only industry that is expected to deliver a top
notch fast and reliable service at a single low price. The electric
company gets to charge per KW, the all you can eat buffet charges per
person, the cell phone company charges per device, cable/satellite
charges per box, hell even the streaming companies get to put limits
on the number of people that can stream per account. Why is it when
we ask a heavy user to pay their fair share all hell breaks lose and
we are the greedy bastards?
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Wednesday, June 21, 2017, 1:11:27 PM, you wrote:
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The problem with metered billing is that it doesn't solve the
problem. The customer still purchased a game they want to download, or
they have a 4K TV they want to watch movies on. Most people are just
going to look for other options if they have to pay every time they
try to use a device in their household, and even if people are willing
to pay, you still have to be able to deliver enough service to them to
give them the speeds they want.
Until there is more spectrum available, I think DPI is a much better
solution.. you can deprioritize and shape things like game downloads,
and prioritize/shape their video streaming. I wish there was a better
option, but I really don't think implementing UBB is a solution to
this problem. It may give you more money to build up your network a
bit, but it is poison to most customer's ears, and it won't change
their behavior that much unless it's extremely painful for them
financially.
On 6/21/2017 10:51 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
metered billing.. wave of the future
On Wed, Jun 21, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com
<mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I read some scary stuff the other day along a similar vein.
Basically if you're selling 25mbps then you'll need a 4:1
oversubscription ratio to support peak hours hi def streaming without
complaint.
As adoption of 4K video increases, that ratio will approach 1:1.
You'll have to either start supplying 100meg, or start billing for
consumption....or jack the price way up.
They were looking only at streaming video trends, and didn't even
consider stuff like this.
------ Original Message ------
From: "Jeremy" <jeremysmi...@gmail.com <mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com>>
To: af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com>
Sent: 6/21/2017 1:03:09 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Ready for the Xbox one X and 100GB games?
Yeah, this sucks for us. Even worse, many of these games come out
with dual licenses so that you can play on Windows 10 or XB1 for the
same purchase. I bought a couple games and checked it out. It was
amazing to be able to just continue my Halo Wars right where I left
off on my laptop, but it was double the download size. This makes
Forza potentially 200GB, without DLC. When you are providing
customers 300-500GB per month without overages it makes heavy Xbox
customers very quickly switch providers. I'm not sure if that is a
blessing or a curse. For now, it has not been a gigantic churn issue
for us, but the future of 4K content will likely hit us all pretty hard.
My main issue with this is that purchasing a disc is not an option. I
initially bought discs, only to find that even after ripping them to
the hard drive, I have to walk down to the network closet to insert
the disc. Digitally purchased games can just be loaded from a menu,
like all of the hacked consoles. There is no option to 'upgrade' to a
digital license if you have purchased a disc. Also, if you own
multiple Xbox One consoles (say at home and at work), you can play any
of your games on either console, at any time, just not simultaneously.
Discs are now useless to me. The only way to get this digital
license is to download it from the Internet (or hack the console...not
yet an option). This has been a big bummer to heavy Xbox users when
they get hit with massive overages, and they usually switch to Comcast.
On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:19 PM, Eric Kuhnke <eric.kuh...@gmail.com
<mailto:eric.kuh...@gmail.com>> wrote:
This will be the new normal with the next generation Xbox, when many
customers start bringing them home...
https://m.hardocp.com/news/2017/06/18/forza_motorsport_7_will_be_100gb_download
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Email: simon@sonar.software <mailto:simon@sonar.software>
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
https://sonar.software
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Simon Westlake
Email: simon@sonar.software
Phone: (702) 447-1247 US / (780) 900-1180 CA
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The future of ISP billing and OSS
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