Much better off moving desalination units than water. On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:34 PM Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> wrote:
> When I was in the USMC we had gigantic air cushion type transports that > could carry two M1 Abrams. I never saw them come up on anything other than > a Sandy Beach so I don't know if they can or not. Also don't know what kind > of beaches PR has. Who knows where they are. > > I would think deployment of military on a territory is a lot easier than > stateside legally. > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that >> they use in swamps and such could help? >> >> On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are >> boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of >> docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few >> areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through >> landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is >> leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a >> lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do >> get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is >> running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they >> don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are >> damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a >> whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my >> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting >> because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages. >> >> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media >> coverage on top of it >> >> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected] >> > wrote: >> >>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to >>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics >>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we >>> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball. >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the >>>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile >>>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they >>>> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could >>>> send some of these for rescue and recovery ? >>>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't >>>>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it >>>>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, >>>>> the >>>>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and >>>>> ships are queued. >>>>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military >>>>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary >>>>> docks or something. >>>>> >>>>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged >>>>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they >>>>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys >>>>> business >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA >>>>>> systems were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, >>>>>> and USPS are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are >>>>>> VFR >>>>>> only with very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. >>>>>> Logistics is a big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific >>>>>> requests from Gino yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank You, >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>> >>>>>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cooperstown, NY 13326 >>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> >>>>>> (607) 643-4055 Office >>>>>> >>>>>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile >>>>>> >>>>>> (208) 692-1898 Fax >>>>>> Skype: Radiowebst >>>>>> >>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>>> >>>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza >>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM >>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat? >>>>>> And more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican >>>>>> Club here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I am sure he serves some critical facilities. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have >>>>>> contacts for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities >>>>>> (hospitals, >>>>>> long term care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like >>>>>> that >>>>>> may be able to find its way onto military transport >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you >>>>>> could get it there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Is there a way to ship you COWs? I can build a few and send them. >>>>>> Not sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >>>>>> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM >>>>>> >>>>>> *To:* [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded). >>>>>> Need Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Lewis Bergman < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> *Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM >>>>>> *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yep, exactly what I said. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>>>>> >>>>>> President >>>>>> >>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring >>>>>> internet service..... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to >>>>>> serve our Customers, and that is how we earn a living... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns... >>>>>> >>>>>> One.... How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our >>>>>> Infrastructure. >>>>>> >>>>>> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ? Do we have >>>>>> any left who are able to use the service and pay for it ? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the >>>>>> Customers (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, >>>>>> then such functional infrastructure is of little value. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just >>>>>> pointing to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of >>>>>> us will be around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free >>>>>> service for a certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get >>>>>> paid somehow, from someone, from somewhere) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they >>>>>> true severity of such disasters unravel over a period of time... >>>>>> sometimes weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years ! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>>>>> >>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]> >>>>>> *To: *[email protected] >>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM >>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>> >>>>>> It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on >>>>>> anything else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you >>>>>> would lose your shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do >>>>>> that consumers will pay for. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events >>>>>> are humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, >>>>>> non-satellite] >>>>>> internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the backbone >>>>>> internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need >>>>>> gasoline >>>>>> to power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we wish or >>>>>> pray, everything is dead in the water. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Craig House < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm in st Thomas and have been here a week helping a WISP and general >>>>>> cleanup like orphanages The power is the major issue. All poles and >>>>>> utilities are offline outside of the major port area that has buried >>>>>> utilities. Generators are being flown in every day word here is 6-9 >>>>>> months for power to be restored. Fiber phone and cable providers are >>>>>> crippled and many of the towers here have most of the equipment not just >>>>>> damaged but totally missing. What is there still is water damaged or has >>>>>> fried Ethernet from water infiltration >>>>>> >>>>>> But power is the major issue in the USVI also >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:58, Steve Jones <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> With PR having been on the verge of state bankruptcy, why not, just >>>>>> cut and run now. use the influx that's inbound to rebuilt and become >>>>>> wealthy, never have to worry about the statehood thing again. Everybody >>>>>> will have smartmeters and starbucks >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Aruba has a pretty decent wind farm, although they are wealthier than >>>>>> a lot of other Caribbean islands. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, September 24, 2017, Erich Kaiser < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I always wondered why the Caribbean islands did not use more wind >>>>>> and/or solar power. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>>> >>>>>> North Central Tower >>>>>> >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> >>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804 <(630)%20621-4804> >>>>>> >>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 <(630)%20777-9291> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> From what I'm hearing, the major issue is power, or the lack thereof. >>>>>> Existing supplies of fuel for generators, etc. are in extremely short >>>>>> supply. I've been hearing estimates of 6+ months to restore power, and >>>>>> that >>>>>> may be optimistic. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> bp >>>>>> >>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9/24/2017 9:07 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I know we are all anxious hoping to hear from Gino.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>> >>>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>> >>>>>> I wish I still had an HF rig and a decent antenna.ï¿1Ž2 I am >>>>>> wondering of anyone on here works 20 meters and has heard from folks in >>>>>> PR? >>>>>> >>>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Keep hearing of the lack of communication capability there, but 2 >>>>>> meter and HF is pretty much going to work irrespective of any >>>>>> infrastructure damage.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 Here in Utah, our county emergency >>>>>> center >>>>>> has fully functional HF, VHF and UHF capability.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>> >>>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>> >>>>>> Actually most of Utah does as well as many groups of LDS church folk >>>>>> that work with emergency preparedness.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>> >>>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>> >>>>>> I have never used it, but I know there are HF methods to convey >>>>>> IP.ï¿1Ž2 Could certainly keep slow speed email going.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> >>
