Much better off moving desalination units than water.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:34 PM Lewis Bergman <[email protected]> wrote:

> When I was in the USMC we had gigantic air cushion type transports that
> could carry two M1 Abrams. I never saw them come up on anything other than
> a Sandy Beach so I don't know if they can or not. Also don't know what kind
> of beaches PR has. Who knows where they are.
>
> I would think deployment of military on a territory is a lot easier than
> stateside legally.
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that
>> they use in swamps and such could help?
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are
>> boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of
>> docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few
>> areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through
>> landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is
>> leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a
>> lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do
>> get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is
>> running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they
>> don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are
>> damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a
>> whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my
>> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting
>> because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages.
>>
>> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media
>> coverage on top of it
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza <[email protected]
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to
>>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics
>>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we
>>> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball.
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the
>>>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile
>>>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they
>>>> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could
>>>> send some of these for rescue and recovery ?
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't
>>>>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it
>>>>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, 
>>>>> the
>>>>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and
>>>>> ships are queued.
>>>>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military
>>>>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary
>>>>> docks or something.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged
>>>>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they
>>>>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys 
>>>>> business
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster <
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA
>>>>>> systems were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS,
>>>>>> and USPS are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are 
>>>>>> VFR
>>>>>> only with very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami.
>>>>>> Logistics is a big issue right now. I have not had any direct or specific
>>>>>> requests from Gino yet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank You,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Brian Webster
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd.
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cooperstown, NY 13326
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (607) 643-4055 Office
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (208) 692-1898 Fax
>>>>>> Skype: Radiowebst
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM
>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat?
>>>>>>  And more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican
>>>>>> Club here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sure he serves some critical facilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have
>>>>>> contacts for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities 
>>>>>> (hospitals,
>>>>>> long term care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff like 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> may be able to find its way onto military transport
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you
>>>>>> could get it there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there a way to ship you COWs?  I can build a few and send them.
>>>>>> Not sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *To:* [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded).
>>>>>> Need Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *Af <[email protected]> on behalf of Lewis Bergman <
>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>> *Reply-To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM
>>>>>> *To: *"[email protected]" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, exactly what I said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> President
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring
>>>>>> internet service.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to
>>>>>> serve our Customers, and that is how we earn a living...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One.... How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our
>>>>>> Infrastructure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ?  Do we have
>>>>>> any left who are able to use the service and pay for it ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the
>>>>>> Customers (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it,
>>>>>> then such functional infrastructure is of little value.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just
>>>>>> pointing to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non of
>>>>>> us will be around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free
>>>>>> service for a certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to get
>>>>>> paid somehow, from someone, from somewhere)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they
>>>>>> true severity of such  disasters  unravel over a period of time...
>>>>>> sometimes weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155
>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g>
>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email:
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <[email protected]>
>>>>>> *To: *[email protected]
>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on
>>>>>> anything else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is you
>>>>>> would lose your shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do
>>>>>> that consumers will pay for.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events
>>>>>> are humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, 
>>>>>> non-satellite]
>>>>>> internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the backbone
>>>>>> internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need 
>>>>>> gasoline
>>>>>> to power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we wish or
>>>>>> pray, everything is dead in the water.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Craig House <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm in st Thomas and have been here a week helping a WISP and general
>>>>>> cleanup like orphanages   The power is the major issue.  All poles and
>>>>>> utilities are offline outside of the major port area that has buried
>>>>>> utilities.  Generators are being flown in every day  word here is 6-9
>>>>>> months for power to be restored. Fiber phone and cable providers are
>>>>>> crippled and many of the towers here have most of the equipment not just
>>>>>> damaged but totally missing.  What is there still is water damaged or has
>>>>>> fried Ethernet from water infiltration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But power is the major issue in the USVI also
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:58, Steve Jones <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With PR having been on the verge of state bankruptcy, why not, just
>>>>>> cut and run now. use the influx that's inbound to rebuilt and become
>>>>>> wealthy, never have to worry about the statehood thing again. Everybody
>>>>>> will have smartmeters and starbucks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jason McKemie <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Aruba has a pretty decent wind farm, although they are wealthier than
>>>>>> a lot of other Caribbean islands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday, September 24, 2017, Erich Kaiser <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always wondered why the Caribbean islands did not use more wind
>>>>>> and/or solar power.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Erich Kaiser
>>>>>>
>>>>>> North Central Tower
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [email protected]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804 <(630)%20621-4804>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 <(630)%20777-9291>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I'm hearing, the major issue is power, or the lack thereof.
>>>>>> Existing supplies of fuel for generators, etc. are in extremely short
>>>>>> supply. I've been hearing estimates of 6+ months to restore power, and 
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> may be optimistic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/24/2017 9:07 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know we are all anxious hoping to hear from Gino.ï¿1Ž2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ï¿1Ž2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish I still had an HF rig and a decent antenna.ï¿1Ž2 I am
>>>>>> wondering of anyone on here works 20 meters and has heard from folks in 
>>>>>> PR?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ï¿1Ž2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep hearing of the lack of communication capability there, but 2
>>>>>> meter and HF is pretty much going to work irrespective of any
>>>>>> infrastructure damage.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 Here in Utah, our county emergency 
>>>>>> center
>>>>>> has fully functional HF, VHF and UHF capability.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ï¿1Ž2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually most of Utah does as well as many groups of LDS church folk
>>>>>> that work with emergency preparedness.ï¿1Ž2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ï¿1Ž2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never used it, but I know there are HF methods to convey
>>>>>> IP.ï¿1Ž2 Could certainly keep slow speed email going.ï¿1Ž2
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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