does that produce enough costally to help inland? coastal waters right now are toxic with pollution right now so filtration is a huge issue too
On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: > Much better off moving desalination units than water. > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:34 PM Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> When I was in the USMC we had gigantic air cushion type transports that >> could carry two M1 Abrams. I never saw them come up on anything other than >> a Sandy Beach so I don't know if they can or not. Also don't know what kind >> of beaches PR has. Who knows where they are. >> >> I would think deployment of military on a territory is a lot easier than >> stateside legally. >> >> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017, 9:22 PM Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I understand Steve...it is a nightmare...wonder if those airboats that >>> they use in swamps and such could help? >>> >>> On Sep 26, 2017 8:09 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> there is nowhere to park the boats Jaime. That's the problem. there are >>> boats sitting in the ocean with nowhere to park. its not even just lack of >>> docks, there is debris in the water, sunk or disabled ships in the few >>> areas accessible are a real risk. We are all looking at this through >>> landlocked eyes where theres always tons of options. The military is >>> leading operations, but theyre not physics magicians. 3 million people is a >>> lot of supplies, just in drinking water alone. then distribution if you do >>> get it to land. what do you send, and in what order when the fuel is >>> running out? a bunch of delivery trucks? so they fill the lots cause they >>> don't have fuel? food? with nothing to transport it cause the roads are >>> damaged or impassable? They don't even have the chainsaws, there was a >>> whole article about that, not enough chainsaws. A tree falls in my >>> neighborhood, there are ten chainsaws within 10 minutes onsite cutting >>> because theres 5-10 chainsaws per city block in garages. >>> >>> this is a new logistics nightmare with 24/7 nonstop negative media >>> coverage on top of it >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:59 PM, Jaime Solorza < >>> losguyswirel...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Just saw and heard the mayor of San Juan... We need our military to >>>> deploy immediately to assist...they are trained and have logistics >>>> expertise...cruise liners could take a shitload of supplies them...damn we >>>> are the most powerful country and we are dropping the ball. >>>> >>>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:35 PM, "Jaime Solorza" <losguyswirel...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I saw that on news..they need gasoline for generators..I have seen the >>>>> COWs military uses during war games at McGregor and White Sands Missile >>>>> Ranges..they have a section of Fort Bliss where they store these...they >>>>> look like Glen Martin telescoping towers on trailers...wonder if we could >>>>> send some of these for rescue and recovery ? >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 26, 2017 7:17 PM, "Steve Jones" <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just read an article about people being pissed cause they haven't >>>>>> lifted the act that bans coastal shipping to non us ships. they lifted it >>>>>> for Harvey and Irma, but not this one. everybody is making a big stink, >>>>>> the >>>>>> problem is, the ports are damaged, theres limited offload capacity and >>>>>> ships are queued. >>>>>> This is crazy, youd think they could bring in some of those military >>>>>> bridging vehicle to make a bridge out to some barges made into temporary >>>>>> docks or something. >>>>>> >>>>>> I don't think people realize you cant land cargo planes on damaged >>>>>> tarmacs. Its almost worth reaching out to the cartels at this point, they >>>>>> can move high volumes of cargo into inaccessible areas like nobodys >>>>>> business >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 8:08 PM, Brian Webster < >>>>>> i...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Right now there are limited flights in and out of PR, their FAA >>>>>>> systems were down as of last report I received this morning. FedEX, UPS, >>>>>>> and USPS are not operational on the island yet. Flights in and out are >>>>>>> VFR >>>>>>> only with very big spacing and slots controlled and issued from Miami. >>>>>>> Logistics is a big issue right now. I have not had any direct or >>>>>>> specific >>>>>>> requests from Gino yet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank You, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Brian Webster >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 214 Eggleston Hill Rd. >>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cooperstown, NY 13326 >>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=214+Eggleston+Hill+Rd.+Cooperstown,+NY+13326+(607&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (607) 643-4055 Office >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (607) 435-3988 Mobile >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (208) 692-1898 Fax >>>>>>> Skype: Radiowebst >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jaime >>>>>>> Solorza >>>>>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 26, 2017 11:26 AM >>>>>>> *To:* Animal Farm >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do we ship gear to Gino? Do shipments all go by plane? Boat? >>>>>>> And more help is needed there in remote areas according to Puerto Rican >>>>>>> Club here in El Paso that is collecting money for relief. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 25, 2017 10:47 AM, "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am sure he serves some critical facilities. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Steve Jones >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 10:33 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> that would be an issue to take up with WECAT, they should have >>>>>>> contacts for logistics. If gino serves any critical facilities >>>>>>> (hospitals, >>>>>>> long term care, fire/rescue/ems/military/municipality/etc) stuff >>>>>>> like that may be able to find its way onto military transport >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Mathew Howard < >>>>>>> mhoward...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would imagine they'd have to go by boat... not sure how quick you >>>>>>> could get it there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there a way to ship you COWs? I can build a few and send them. >>>>>>> Not sure if I can get them to you fast enough to help. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From:* Gino A. Villarini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, September 25, 2017 8:19 AM >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *To:* af@afmug.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Guys, we are ok, lots of damaged and downed towers (all guyded). >>>>>>> Need Gens, COWS and manpower (riggers, installers, etc.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *Af <af-boun...@afmug.com> on behalf of Lewis Bergman < >>>>>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *Reply-To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> *Date: *Monday, September 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM >>>>>>> *To: *"af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yep, exactly what I said. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Gino A. Villarini* >>>>>>> >>>>>>> President >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, Puerto Rico 00968 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM Faisal Imtiaz < >>>>>>> fai...@snappytelecom.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is nice to have deep thoughts and conversations about restoring >>>>>>> internet service..... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> May I remind everyone that, We all of the ISP/WISP/NSP are here to >>>>>>> serve our Customers, and that is how we earn a living... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes after Natural disaster event, there are two parallel concerns... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One.... How do we bring back our service, restore the damage to our >>>>>>> Infrastructure. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Two... What is the state of affairs of our customers ? Do we have >>>>>>> any left who are able to use the service and pay for it ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes, one can have a fully functional infrastructure, but if the >>>>>>> Customers (end users) are not in any shape to utilize it or pay for it, >>>>>>> then such functional infrastructure is of little value. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (I am not being heartless in talking about paying customers, just >>>>>>> pointing to realities of the situation.. without paying customers, non >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> us will be around... and yes we can do acts of charity, and provide free >>>>>>> service for a certain duration, but at the end of the day that has to >>>>>>> get >>>>>>> paid somehow, from someone, from somewhere) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> These events are not short term issues.. depending on severity they >>>>>>> true severity of such disasters unravel over a period of time... >>>>>>> sometimes weeks, sometimes months, and in some cases years ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Faisal Imtiaz >>>>>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom >>>>>>> 7266 SW 48 Street >>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>> Miami, FL 33155 >>>>>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=7266+SW+48+Street+Miami,+FL+33155&entry=gmail&source=g> >>>>>>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 <(305)%20663-5518> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Help-desk: (305)663-5518 <(305)%20663-5518> Option 2 or Email: >>>>>>> supp...@snappytelecom.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *From: *"Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>>>>> *Sent: *Monday, September 25, 2017 8:42:30 AM >>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Gino >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is possible to build an infrastructure that doesn't rely on >>>>>>> anything else but what you have, just like the US militay. Problem is >>>>>>> you >>>>>>> would lose your shirt trying to do it. There is only so much you can do >>>>>>> that consumers will pay for. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 10:35 PM Colin Stanners <cstann...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Even for WISPs who are very far from the affected areas, such events >>>>>>> are humbling. Customers say "your company can deliver [good, >>>>>>> non-satellite] >>>>>>> internet where no one else can", but all of us rely fully on the >>>>>>> backbone >>>>>>> internet connection, usually on a functioning power grid, and need >>>>>>> gasoline >>>>>>> to power service vehicles. Once those are gone, no matter how we wish or >>>>>>> pray, everything is dead in the water. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 4:27 PM, Craig House < >>>>>>> cr...@totalhighspeed.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm in st Thomas and have been here a week helping a WISP and >>>>>>> general cleanup like orphanages The power is the major issue. All >>>>>>> poles >>>>>>> and utilities are offline outside of the major port area that has buried >>>>>>> utilities. Generators are being flown in every day word here is 6-9 >>>>>>> months for power to be restored. Fiber phone and cable providers are >>>>>>> crippled and many of the towers here have most of the equipment not just >>>>>>> damaged but totally missing. What is there still is water damaged or >>>>>>> has >>>>>>> fried Ethernet from water infiltration >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But power is the major issue in the USVI also >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2017, at 16:58, Steve Jones <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> With PR having been on the verge of state bankruptcy, why not, just >>>>>>> cut and run now. use the influx that's inbound to rebuilt and become >>>>>>> wealthy, never have to worry about the statehood thing again. Everybody >>>>>>> will have smartmeters and starbucks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 1:00 PM, Jason McKemie < >>>>>>> j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aruba has a pretty decent wind farm, although they are wealthier >>>>>>> than a lot of other Caribbean islands. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sunday, September 24, 2017, Erich Kaiser < >>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I always wondered why the Caribbean islands did not use more wind >>>>>>> and/or solar power. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Erich Kaiser >>>>>>> >>>>>>> North Central Tower >>>>>>> >>>>>>> er...@northcentraltower.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Office: 630-621-4804 <(630)%20621-4804> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cell: 630-777-9291 <(630)%20777-9291> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Sep 24, 2017 at 11:23 AM, Bill Prince <part15...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From what I'm hearing, the major issue is power, or the lack >>>>>>> thereof. Existing supplies of fuel for generators, etc. are in extremely >>>>>>> short supply. I've been hearing estimates of 6+ months to restore power, >>>>>>> and that may be optimistic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> bp >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 9/24/2017 9:07 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I know we are all anxious hoping to hear from Gino.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wish I still had an HF rig and a decent antenna.ï¿1Ž2 I am >>>>>>> wondering of anyone on here works 20 meters and has heard from folks in >>>>>>> PR? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keep hearing of the lack of communication capability there, but 2 >>>>>>> meter and HF is pretty much going to work irrespective of any >>>>>>> infrastructure damage.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 Here in Utah, our county emergency >>>>>>> center >>>>>>> has fully functional HF, VHF and UHF capability.ï¿1Ž2ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually most of Utah does as well as many groups of LDS church folk >>>>>>> that work with emergency preparedness.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have never used it, but I know there are HF methods to convey >>>>>>> IP.ï¿1Ž2 Could certainly keep slow speed email going.ï¿1Ž2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> >>>
