Hard to make the guns and knives comparison though. Look at the last few stabbing-related terrorist incidents. The one last night in France stabbed two people before being shot and killed. The last one before that got four or five people. This dude shot over 500 people in a matter of minutes. Yes, people will find a way, but high powered rifles sure do make it easy for nefarious individuals to commit mass murder.
I am a gun owner, and I own an AR15, but I still think we need tighter gun control laws. At very least, people on the terrorist watch list should not be able to walk in off the street and buy them. We don't allow them to fly on planes, but we allow them to buy assault rifles?? This shooting is one that likely could not have been stopped. By all accounts, this was an average dude who just snapped. No warning signs, no crazy ideals, and no previous issues. On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: > +1, let's please not get into a political fight. > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> > To: af@afmug.com > Sent: 10/2/2017 12:42:08 PM > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting > > While I won't get into gun politics I will say there are a bunch of > extremely fervent views on the subject. All dearly felt with logical > reasons behind them. I am not sure the opposing sides think the > opposition's reasons are valid. I think we can agree, without political > discussions, that crazy is crazy. And while I hate to see this like > everyone else, I don't think most freedom loving people would be willing to > do what it takes to stop all potentially crazy people from doing such > things. > > I would hope to head off any political debates on the list. > > On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:30 AM Jeremy <jeremysmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I had never seen these bump stop devices. It is hard to believe that >> they are legal, and do not require a machine gun license. I expect that >> will not last. >> >> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Jaime Solorza <losguyswirel...@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> Well crazy is crazy no matter what. I don't care what allegiance they >>> claim..this was a massacre committed by a fucked up person. People died >>> for no good reason. As much heat as I will take for this, easy access to >>> guns has got to change. Fuck the politics. >>> >>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:10 AM, "Cameron Crum" <cc...@wispmon.com> wrote: >>> >>> Well that is some relief. >>> >>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Robert <i...@avantwireless.com> wrote: >>> >>>> FBI says no... >>>> >>>> On 10/2/17 9:09 AM, Cameron Crum wrote: >>>> >>>>> ISIS is claiming he was a recent convert and they are responsible, not >>>>> verified yet, but if true is pretty scary. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Lewis Bergman < >>>>> lewis.berg...@gmail.com <mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have never been asked any questions coming in and out of Vegas >>>>> hotels. There are so many conventions they are used to people who >>>>> don't like storing all their expensive gear in the conference room >>>>> or whatever. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:49 AM Steve Jones >>>>> <thatoneguyst...@gmail.com <mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> 10 rifles and 10k rounds isnt alot of real estate for travel >>>>> luggage transport >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2017 10:35 AM, "Jaime Solorza" >>>>> <losguyswirel...@gmail.com <mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com>> >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Bet you surveillance footage is getting analyzed. I am >>>>> aware guns can be disassembled to fit in suitcase or travel >>>>> bags...but 10 guns if report is accurate...wow. >>>>> On Oct 2, 2017 9:06 AM, "Robert" <i...@avantwireless.com >>>>> <mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Expect metal detectors going in immediately... >>>>> >>>>> On 10/2/17 7:56 AM, Jay Weekley wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I won't be surprised if there were baggage checks >>>>> at >>>>> the casino. >>>>> >>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> It would be irrational to change your plans, >>>>> but >>>>> we're all just people. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- >>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>> <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>>< >>>>> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb >>>>> <https://plus.google.com/+ >>>>> IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>><https://www.linkedin. >>>>> com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/ >>>>> company/intelligent-computing-solutions>><https://twitter.com/ICSIL >>>>> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>> >>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix>>< >>>>> https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange >>>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/ >>>>> company/midwest-internet-exchange>><https://twitter.com/mdwestix >>>>> >>>>> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix>> >>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/ >>>>> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/>> >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp >>>>> <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/ >>>>> UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/ >>>>> UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>>> *From: *"Kurt Fankhauser" >>>>> <lists.wavel...@gmail.com >>>>> <mailto:lists.wavel...@gmail.com>> >>>>> *To: *af@afmug.com <mailto:af@afmug.com> >>>>> >>>>> *Sent: *Monday, October 2, 2017 9:44:58 AM >>>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Vegas Mass Shooting >>>>> >>>>> I wonder if attendance to the WISPA show will >>>>> be >>>>> down from this >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Jay Weekley >>>>> <par...@cyberbroadband.net >>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net> >>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net >>>>> >>>>> <mailto:par...@cyberbroadband.net>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A week later and some of us may have been >>>>> at the concert. >>>>> >>>>> Robert wrote: >>>>> >>>>> A best friend and his brother were >>>>> there and had bullets >>>>> wizzing by him and hitting the ground >>>>> around him and had >>>>> people falling around him. >>>>> >>>>> On 10/2/17 4:12 AM, Josh Reynolds >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I have a co-worker who is there on >>>>> a vacation for his >>>>> birthday until Wednesday. Haven't >>>>> heard from him yet. >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 2, 2017 5:51 AM, "Forrest >>>>> Christian (List Account)" >>>>> <li...@packetflux.com >>>>> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >>>>> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >>>>> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> >>>>> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >>>>> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com> >>>>> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com >>>>> <mailto:li...@packetflux.com>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I'm not really even sure what >>>>> to say. This keeps >>>>> getting worse and >>>>> worse as more details come in. >>>>> >>>>> A different festival on a >>>>> different night and I could >>>>> have been >>>>> among the crowd. 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