I tossed mine years ago, once I was sure they were available on CD. The law firm I use still has a large law library. It is where people go for some quiet or to eat lunch.
From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:20 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question I've got a good collection still here in boxes, haven't had a chance to go through them yet. I think the plan will be to verify I have a .pdf copy of the ones I care of and then sell/discard/donate to the cause as appropriate. On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 10:17 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Oh man! I had forgotten how many different data manuals there were and I had most of them too. Wow.... From: Forrest Christian (List Account) Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 10:12 PM To: af Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Chuck, I'm sorry for the timesink I'm about to introduce you to: http://www.bitsavers.org/components/motorola/_dataBooks/ http://www.bitsavers.org/components/ti/_dataBooks/ http://www.bitsavers.org/components/national/_dataBooks/ Or you can just go to www.bitsavers.org for even more time consumption. On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 9:44 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: Back in the day, I was a bona-fide SLIC expert. Subscriber Line Interface Circuit. I designed and built crap that interfaced with POTS lines. So I knew just about everything having to do with dial tone circuits. Much of the stuff was learned by reading data manuals. I had hundreds of them Blue and brown from Motorola. Yellow from Texas Instruments. Gray from Maxim. Navy blue from National. etc etc Good bed time readin’ From: Steve Jones Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:19 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question Out of curiousity, i learn this nonsense from folks in the know. Where do folks in the know learn this shit? Is it that they were involved in the day when people in the service industry knew what they were doing, or prior to mailing lists was there some analog solution center? Like did you old folks hang out near your telegraph listening to everybodies conversations? Does it boil down to some old chinese guy sending out coded messages or what? Was at a customers joint the other day, an issue with ms rdp, end of the day, it boiled down to remote connectivity, had to disable a tertiary networks gpo printer and disable bitmap caching. I got this from google. Seperate threads and a brain connection that this was the second remote joint via vpn, and the two remote joints couldnt communicate. Customer noted the google use, i told him its cause we dont have manuals now. Is the truth that some chinese guy just answers all our google queries now and we are just corporate puppets? Is there only one really old rice eating fellow that actually knows the answers? What if he dies? Are we fucked if the chinaman dies? On Nov 9, 2017 4:46 PM, "Forrest Christian (List Account)" <li...@packetflux.com> wrote: If you have call waiting, you'll often hear the caller id 'data burp' after the first 'call is waiting' beep... On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Lewis Bergman <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> wrote: Remember, the signal comes between rings. Unless you are listening on a butt set in line or watching the info pass through a switch you wouldn't see or hear it. The only reason I remembered between first and second is sitting at a class 5 switch trying to figure out why caller ID was failing on a feature group D trunk group and seeing them come through after one ringy dingy. On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 3:46 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: Is it at an inaudible frequency? If so, then it wouldn't make it through 2600hz bandpass filters would it? Or maybe it's audible, but so short you don't notice it? I'm fuzzy on this. I probably shouldn't ask. I don't need to know that much about POTS anymore. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Lewis Bergman" <lewis.berg...@gmail.com> To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/9/2017 4:40:57 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question More info than anyone probably wants to know. I found this about the original question: Caller-ID Signaling According to Telcordia specifications, CND signaling starts as early as 300 mS after the first ring burst and ends at least 475 mS before the second ring burst From here: http://www.tech-faq.com/caller-id.html On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 9:29 PM Adam Moffett <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: I did not know that tone contained modulated data. I just thought it was a noise you wouldn't ignore. That's a fun fact to have. ------ Original Message ------ From: ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: 11/7/2017 4:39:27 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question >Monitor the line for the data burst. It is the exact same modulation >method as the emergency alert system you hear squawking on the TV >before the beep and thunderstorm warning. > >I think it comes before the first ring or right after the first ring. >Some of the original display units rectified and stored ring voltage >for power so it may need the ring first to power the display box then >the data. > >In any event, you can hear it if you have a butt sett with line monitor >mode. >Bell 202 is correct. > >-----Original Message----- From: Nate Burke >Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 1:58 PM >To: Animal Farm >Subject: [AFMUG] ATA CallerID question > >At a customer, I just hooked up a Cisco SPA122 into an Ancient Lucent >PBX system. The customer says that caller ID is not coming through, >but >it used to work with his old AT&T Lines, and it appears to be hitting >the ATA Properly. Is there a setting on the ATA that needs to be set >that older systems may be looking for? > >The only settings I see for Caller ID in the ATA are Caller ID Method, >currently set to 'Bellcore(N.Amer,China)' and Caller ID FSK Standard, >set to 'Bell 202' I've never had to mess with those settings before. > >Nate -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com -- Forrest Christian CEO, PacketFlux Technologies, Inc. Tel: 406-449-3345 | Address: 3577 Countryside Road, Helena, MT 59602 forre...@imach.com | http://www.packetflux.com
