Well, I guess that does make sense in some regards.

But in Plat it's not for the username/password.

The CC information is encrypted, but thankfully they WERE able to transfer all 
of those over as far as I can tell.

At least customer won't have to put THAT information in again.


-----Original Message-----
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Reynolds
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:59 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus

You would have to do that with any platform, as those passwords should be 
salted+hash, which is one-way encryption.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 10:47 PM, Sterling Jacobson <sterl...@avative.net> 
wrote:
> It gets worse.
>
>
>
> I wasn’t aware that ALL of my customers are now going to have to 
> re-create their account login credentials because they don’t carry over from 
> Plat.
>
> I guess this is universal with SONAR, if you want a billing portal for 
> your customers, they will ALL have to be sent some notification or 
> link asking them to re-create that info or make new credentials based 
> off their account email address.
>
>
>
> What a cluster F
>
>
>
> I’m going to cry
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Sterling Jacobson
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 9:38 PM
>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> Well, I manually fixed all my account types.
>
>
>
> Now, a week later, the billing portal hosted part is showing up, BUT 
> nothing works, no login and their guy Jacob is MIA again.
>
>
>
> I’ve had accounts and cash flow FROZEN for a week for this.
>
>
>
> It’s crazy, I’m about to lose my mind with SONAR.
>
>
>
> Damnit!
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 8:30 PM
> To: af@afmug.com
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> My wife had a temp job once re-entering accounts for an insurance 
> company which was migrating systems.
>
> As long as the human meat computer operating the keyboard is smart 
> enough to solve more problems than they create then it sounds good in theory.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
>
> From: "CBB - Jay Fuller" <par...@cyberbroadband.net>
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: 1/10/2018 6:05:02 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> we have done something like 3...maybe 4 purchases of networks upwards 
> to 350 customers / devices.  Each time I've had our people manually enter 
> data.
> Too risk adverse of import problems or things not working right.  I've 
> had them do the data entry and I've come behind them to check everything.  I'm
> not sure at this point I'd do it any other way.   I remember Evan doing
> something similar - he had 3-4-5 data entry people entering people at 
> one time during a conversion.
>
>
>
> It is never pretty but in the end when you're done it is a pretty good 
> feeling.
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Adam Moffett
>
> To: af@afmug.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 2:44 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>
>
> Sorry, I wasn't trying to say you were doing it wrong or anything.
>
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
> To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
> Sent: 1/10/2018 3:40:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>
>>Sure, in my spare time I'll just create some DB scripts and then go 
>>through every account to make sure it worked out and reload.
>>
>>Oh wait, how is that saving me time and money?
>>
>>It isn't.
>>
>>I elected to take their import, do some brief overview to make sure 
>>things were generally ok.
>>Then modify/update the ones that have problems.
>>
>>Though that takes time, it's still less effort than starting from 
>>scratch.
>>
>>What I was told was it would be easy to migrate in a day or two and 
>>get running.
>>
>>So not the case.
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
>>Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2018 1:36 PM
>>To: af@afmug.com
>>Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>>
>>If I recall correctly, the Sonar documentation suggested using the API 
>>to write a script to set everything up.  I think the idea is you can 
>>test your import script, then just blow away the Sonar instance and 
>>try again if you have problems.  Repeat until your script does 
>>everything you want.  Then when flag day comes you have a well tested process.
>>
>>I know I heard that somewhere....if it wasn't in the docs it might 
>>have been in one of the videos.
>>
>>-Adam
>>
>>
>>------ Original Message ------
>>From: "Sterling Jacobson" <sterl...@avative.net>
>>To: "af@afmug.com" <af@afmug.com>
>>Sent: 1/10/2018 2:51:58 PM
>>Subject: [AFMUG] Sonar Migration from Platypus
>>
>>>So here is a current update on my months long progress moving from 
>>>Platypus to Sonar.
>>>
>>>It's not automatic by any means.
>>>
>>>Data import is taking a long time and its painful and costs a lot 
>>>extra.
>>>
>>>I'm having to manually correct/add accounts to Sonar with rate group 
>>>changes, address validations etc.
>>>
>>>They appear to be understaffed.
>>>
>>>A lot of their system isn't theirs too, which is OK I guess, just 
>>>didn't realize that.
>>>
>>>Import is a third party process if you don't want to do it yourself.
>>>Actual payment site isn't them, you host it yourself or get a hosting 
>>>company, and have to maintain it yourself.
>>>Paper statements are not directly them, you have to set up a third 
>>>party account and pay/manage them.
>>>
>>>This is just a 'simple' import of billing function only.
>>>
>>>I didn't even have any network information for any accounts, so I 
>>>shudder to think how that would have migrated.
>>>
>>>Also I didn't really see them emphasizing the fact that their 
>>>database and Plat could get seriously out of synch if you are not careful.
>>>
>>>I've had to manually suspend everything in Platypus to assure data 
>>>isn't out of sync with the new system until it comes online.
>>>
>>>That means it's been days of people calling/contacting me trying to 
>>>pay bills and I'm stuck in the middle.
>>>
>>>Don't want to roll back since I've spent so many hours now on 
>>>migration.
>>>
>>>Can't go forward yet because I'm still waiting on massive fixes to 
>>>rates on customers, and web site creation/setup for billing.
>>>
>>>Let's just say I'm excited to get onboarding done and running, but 
>>>I'm also crying because it's not there yet and help is slow to come 
>>>some days.
>>>
>>>
>>

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