Thanks for the information. Others were saying the ZTE units are basically without any support, so I thought that might be a potential benefit to the Ubiquiti gear. What do you use to manage the ZTE gear? Is it just CLI?
-Jason On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE > powered ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5 > runs, and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH, > with a media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying > the Nano would be rated for -40C. After resting they revised this to > -10C... this told me they didn't design properly and were just hoping it > would work using commercial rated parts, like most of their radios do. Not > confidence building. > > So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less > than half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully > load the OLT. The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in > the ONUs, Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us. Also struggled > with getting the UNMS installed and working properly, and ubnt has a > horrible track record for maintaining their management tools so it was > worrysome to rely on a beta version of their new management platform. > > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Jason McKemie < > j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: > >> What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti? >> >> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max >>> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter >>> that needs to be set. >>> >>> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is >>> about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 rx >>> sens. >>> >>> I've been very impressed with the optical performance. >>> >>> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE >>> >>> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That's also a compelling point. >>>> >>>> It's not a simple question for sure. >>>> >>>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company >>>> wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what >>>> THEY will prefer. They'll probably prefer PON. >>>> >>>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have >>>> a bias towards ethernet because it's familiar. I try to bear that in mind >>>> too. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe >>>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and outdoor >>>> cabinets. >>>> >>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per >>>> customer. >>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself >>>> to do PON. >>>> >>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM >>>> *To:* Chuck McCown >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> Chuck, >>>> >>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark * >>>> mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? >>>> >>>> *From:* Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>> *Sent:* Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM >>>> *To:* Adam Moffett >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> Adam, >>>> >>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement >>>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot >>>> exceed 20Km." >>>> >>>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long >>>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods. >>>> >>>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into >>>> the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 >>>> count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles >>>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 splitter >>>> to ribbons 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of light >>>> budget. >>>> >>>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage >>>> per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> Maybe I need to review the math. >>>> >>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't >>>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every fiber >>>> back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com> >>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com> >>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> >>>> Adam, >>>> >>>> How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 >>>> split. Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *-- Best regards,Mark *mailto: >>>> m...@mailmt.com >>>> >>>> >>>> *Myakka Technologies, Inc.*www.MyakkaTech.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *------Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote:* >>>> >>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm >>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I run >>>> the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split 5-6 times >>>> and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going down the road. At 5 or so >>>> houses per port, a 1U, 8 port ONT is no denser than a 1U switch. >>>> >>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just aren't >>>> seeming to work out for me. >>>> >>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to >>>> PON some day if I want to. >>>> >>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 >>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". In AE >>>> I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have to do that >>>> as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited. >>>> >>>> -Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> >>>> A few reasons... >>>> >>>> Port cost is still fairly high. >>>> >>>> More splicing. >>>> >>>> More fiber required. >>>> >>>> Larger chassis required. >>>> >>>> More power required. >>>> >>>> More battery backup required. >>>> >>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON >>>> capacity in most places. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days? >>>> >>>> *From:* Chuck Hogg >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with >>>> Zhone is different. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Chuck >>>> >>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was DASAN >>>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't remember >>>> which. ;-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions <http://www.ics-il.com/> >>>> >>>> Midwest Internet Exchange <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> >>>> >>>> The Brothers WISP <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------ >>>> *From: *"Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>> *To: *af@afmug.com >>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM >>>> *Subject: *[AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>> >>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be >>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other suggestions? >>>> >>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them: >>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116 >>>> >>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them: >>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf >>>> >>>> -Jason >>>> >>>> >
