The pricing for a ZTE OLT from Baltic is $4-5k. Is that about right? Jon Langeler Michwave Technologies, Inc.
> On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: > > Without support, yes if you are buying it grey market. But have you ever > dealt with ubnt support? Last time I tried they were about useless. > > Smartolt.com provides a subscription based web gui for the zte OLT. It's a > nice system, if you are okay trusting that functionality to some guy in > Romania. The CLI is pretty clunky but you can do it that way too. > > > >> On Feb 15, 2018 10:07 PM, "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >> wrote: >> Thanks for the information. Others were saying the ZTE units are basically >> without any support, so I thought that might be a potential benefit to the >> Ubiquiti gear. What do you use to manage the ZTE gear? Is it just CLI? >> >> -Jason >> >>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:37 PM, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: >>> The main reason we were initially drawn to ubnt was the outdoor POE powered >>> ONU. This would let us re-use a lot of wireless installs with cat5 runs, >>> and it is also how we had previously been doing our activeE FTTH, with a >>> media converter in the NID. Ubnt initially released a spec saying the Nano >>> would be rated for -40C. After resting they revised this to -10C... this >>> told me they didn't design properly and were just hoping it would work >>> using commercial rated parts, like most of their radios do. Not confidence >>> building. >>> >>> So, if the ONU has to be indoor anyway, the comporable ZTE ONU is less than >>> half the cost of the ubnt. The OLT is also much cheaper if you fully load >>> the OLT. The ZTE is also a mature product with features like VOIP in the >>> ONUs, Multicast IPTV support was another big one for us. Also struggled >>> with getting the UNMS installed and working properly, and ubnt has a >>> horrible track record for maintaining their management tools so it was >>> worrysome to rely on a beta version of their new management platform. >>> >>>> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 5:48 PM, Jason McKemie >>>> <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> wrote: >>>> What were the factors in choosing ZTE over Ubiquiti? >>>> >>>>> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, Chris Fabien <ch...@lakenetmi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Regarding the distance, our ZTE will support up to 60 km, but max >>>>> difference of 20km between ONU on one PON. There's just a range parameter >>>>> that needs to be set. >>>>> >>>>> We ordered C+ optics and see a real optical budget of 33dB. The OLT is >>>>> about +5.5 tx and -34 min rx sensitivity. The ONU about + 0.5 tx and -28 >>>>> rx sens. >>>>> >>>>> I've been very impressed with the optical performance. >>>>> >>>>> We did test the ubnt as well. Went with ZTE >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 12, 2018 1:23 PM, "Adam Moffett" <dmmoff...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That's also a compelling point. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's not a simple question for sure. >>>>>> >>>>>> The other reason I would think about GPON is that if a larger company >>>>>> wanted to purchase our network down the road I have to think about what >>>>>> THEY will prefer. They'll probably prefer PON. >>>>>> >>>>>> Humans are horrible at assessing their own biases, but I probably have a >>>>>> bias towards ethernet because it's familiar. I try to bear that in mind >>>>>> too. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>> From: "Chuck McCown" <ch...@wbmfg.com> >>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 1:13:18 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>> >>>>>>> When doing full throttle Calix GPON we have about $570 invested in cpe >>>>>>> electronics, splitter, ont/olt/onu etc. Everything but fiber and >>>>>>> outdoor cabinets. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When doing active Ethernet you can come in closer to $100 per customer. >>>>>>> For non regulated greenfield, I am having a hard time convincing myself >>>>>>> to do PON. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 11:09 AM >>>>>>> To: Chuck McCown >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chuck, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> PLC splitter in spice case doing full fusion splicing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>> www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Monday, February 12, 2018, 12:09:32 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Are you using splitters in splice cases or in cross connect boxes? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Mark - Myakka Technologies >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 9:55 AM >>>>>>> To: Adam Moffett >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There are some ranging things you have to consider. "The requirement >>>>>>> when deploying ONTs are the maximum distance between two ONTs cannot >>>>>>> exceed 20Km." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The way we have done this is to reuse fibers as we travel down long >>>>>>> stretches of roads between neighborhoods. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We will deploy a 1x32 splitter in the field. We will splice that into >>>>>>> the last 3 ribbons/tubes of our fiber. Example, if we were using a 144 >>>>>>> count cable, ribbons 10-12 will be spliced into. After a few miles >>>>>>> depending on density or distance, we will splice in another 1x32 >>>>>>> splitter to ribbons 10-12. We just keep doing this until we run out of >>>>>>> light budget. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We build to the lots passed, so we are not trying to optimize max usage >>>>>>> per port. Currently, we average about 50% utilization on our ports. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>> www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Monday, February 12, 2018, 11:38:39 AM, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe I need to review the math. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was figuring on several small splitters along the route. I didn't >>>>>>> compare to a 1x32 in the cabinet because I figured if I brought every >>>>>>> fiber back to the cabinet then I didn't save anything versus ethernet. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "Mark - Myakka Technologies" <m...@mailmt.com> >>>>>>> To: "Adam Moffett" <af@afmug.com> >>>>>>> Sent: 2/12/2018 11:30:46 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How far are you going? We are pushing almost 20 miles on a 1x32 split. >>>>>>> Are you using one 1x32 or multiple smaller splitters? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>>> Mark mailto:m...@mailmt.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Myakka Technologies, Inc. >>>>>>> www.MyakkaTech.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sunday, February 11, 2018, 10:24:30 PM, you wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm looking at rural areas (like a few houses per mile). As I'm >>>>>>> looking at hypothetical power budgets for PON, I'm finding that if I >>>>>>> run the line down the road and put splitters on the pole I can split >>>>>>> 5-6 times and then I'm getting too low on db to keep going >>>>>>> down the road. At 5 or so houses per port, a 1U, 8 port >>>>>>> ONT is no denser than a 1U switch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Your stated reasons for PON are all correct. The numbers just aren't >>>>>>> seeming to work out for me. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also figure if I install enough fibers for AE, I can still switch to >>>>>>> PON some day if I want to. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We would never max out the PON port, but looking back on the past 15 >>>>>>> years of growth in consumption I wonder if I should ever say "never". >>>>>>> In AE I can put 100Gig in every house if I have to. I'll "never" have >>>>>>> to do that as far as I can imagine, but my imagination could be limited. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Adam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>>>>> From: "Josh Reynolds" <j...@kyneticwifi.com> >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Sent: 2/11/2018 9:28:34 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A few reasons... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Port cost is still fairly high. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More splicing. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More fiber required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Larger chassis required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More power required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> More battery backup required. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Consumers not even close to using up 1-2 generations back of PON >>>>>>> capacity in most places. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 7:53 PM, Chuck McCown <ch...@wbmfg.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, why do PON and not active in these super cheap optics days? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Chuck Hogg >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 6:10 PM >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We are walking away from them and Alphion...I think Mark's product with >>>>>>> Zhone is different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Chuck >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 2:29 PM, Mike Hammett <af...@ics-il.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I think Chuck Hogg walked far away from DASAN... or maybe it was DASAN >>>>>>> that rescued them from the one they walked far away form. I don't >>>>>>> remember which. ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- >>>>>>> Mike Hammett >>>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Midwest Internet Exchange >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Brothers WISP >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Jason McKemie" <j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com> >>>>>>> To: af@afmug.com >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 4:35:53 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [AFMUG] Outdoor PON OLT >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In light of finding out that Calix's offering is not going to be >>>>>>> anywhere near within budget, does anyone else have any other >>>>>>> suggestions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I found these guys, but have never heard of them: >>>>>>> http://www.richerlink.com/en/products.asp?ClassID=116 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like DASAN also has an option - I've at least heard of them: >>>>>>> http://www.dasannetworks.com/product_images/V5806_20140520174927.pdf >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Jason >>> >>
