Note that is not a migration, this is one of the first mistakes. It is a transition and coexistence. We really need to talk with the proper terminology or we will confuse others. The IETF never did any “migration” protocol, all them are “transition and coexistence”.
You don’t “disable” IPv4 in the complete network overnight, otherwise you break many apps and services that don’t yet support IPv6. And yes, agree with you, is not just being aware of the IPv4-exhaustion, but also that the business opportunities of deploying IPv6. And the first one is “keep your business working!”, but IoT, new services, new apps, etc., as well. My experience shows that usually engineers are aware (they may have the complete knowledge or not, but they know that they need to do IPv6), but in most organizations, executive management don’t pay attention to what their own engineers are saying. We like it or not, but that's why consultants exist … (they devote time/money across many years, to learn about those topics, get experience, and then resell the expertise to customers). Experienced trainers, which are actively deploying IPv6 and do consultancy to customers may look expensive (which is not always the case), but if you compare that to how much “internal” investment in own resources and time you save, it is very cheap. Regards, Jordi De: Noureddine IDBOUFKER <[email protected]> Fecha: jueves, 6 de diciembre de 2018, 11:23 Para: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <[email protected]>, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop people moving to IPv6 I think that Top management is not enough aware of business opportunities behind IPv6 migration. Sure IPv6 will give them the opportunity to address a high number of objects, equipements, services,.... but it is not limited to that. Top management has to encourage their people to be express their innovation capabilities in a such a way to contribute to the developpement of Value Added Services. Providers who will not propose new competitive service catalogue will simply die in globalized world. Top management has to know hat IPv6 is a real pillar of IT governance. Regards ----------------------------------------------- Noureddine IDBOUFKER Le jeudi 6 décembre 2018 à 10:57:24 UTC+1, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via AfrIPv6-Discuss <[email protected]> a écrit : Operators are informed, if you speak about “engineers”, the problem is to inform the CEOs of operator AND the CEOs of important companies in each country (financial sectors, companies that export or have relevant web sites, etc.). I recall ARIN did sent a letter to them (in their region) a few years ago. Regards, Jordi De: Pascal ANDRIANISA <[email protected]> Responder a: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <[email protected]> Fecha: jueves, 6 de diciembre de 2018, 10:47 Para: IPv6 in Africa Discussions <[email protected]> Asunto: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop people moving to IPv6 Dear All, I think there is also another solution which is to inform the operators in each country of the situation because if only the members who will apply IPv6 it will not be possible to use it optimally. I do not know if a provision to that effect has already been taken but I think that all the members are aware of the situation. Best regard, Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA Webmaster i RENALA Research and Education Network for Academic and Learning Activities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ Porte 201 - Ministère de l'Enseignement Supérieur et de la Recherche Scientifique - Fiadanana GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 | +261 (0) 34 30 680 29 De: "Mukom Akong T." <[email protected]> À: "IPv6 in Africa" <[email protected]> Envoyé: Jeudi 6 Décembre 2018 06:41:29 Objet: Re: [AfrIPv6-Discuss] Finding solutions to things that stop people moving to IPv6 > > Consumers are unaware of IPv6, so it's not part of their buying decision. If > something doesn't make consumer buy boxes, vendors don't do it. I do not > think consumer education about IP is a good idea. Neither do I. Consumers don't DIRECTLY care about IP (whether v4 or v6). But they do care about other features that may be only possible (or easier, or cheaper) with v6. This is one place where I see the role of governments. In the interest of national development, just ban importation and sale of legacy equipment. Similar to what is already done with type approval in telecommunications today. > ISPs buying cheap boxes and not paying anything for support, so they can't > get upgrades. > Foreign ISPs dumping volumes of used CPE, which get resold at deep discounts. I've been screaming about this for years. Even worse, some of it is going to be "sold" as "next generation Internet aid or technical corporation") which further cripples IPv6 deployment. > > Something that has worked for some companies is an "ISP Certified" sticker. > CPE vendors could apply to an ISP, and pay the costs of testing. If the tests > complied with the ISP's requirements, which might include MAP, lw4o6, or > 464xlat support, the vendor is allowed to put a sticker on their box saying, > "This device certified for use with $ISP." There might be a business > opportunity for someone who can set up a really good CPE testing lab, so ISPs > could outsource their testing and certification. In addition, I believe that with two days of training (regulators and customs) and the appropriate infrastructure and a PROCESS, we can help a government implement type approval for IPv6. Any regulator that wishes to do this should reach out and join the waiting list by taking the Government IPv6 Readiness Self Assessment at ENGLISH → https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=en FRENCH → https://vox.afrinic.net/465923?lang=fr > For years I have been an IPv6 advocate – and I still am – and I’ve actively > deployed and run IPv6 in production supplying it to the end user, with > multiple percentage point changes in country IPv6 penetration statistics as a > result, but I am fast realizing that if we want IPv6 to grow and thrive – > it’s time we started being a little more open and honest about the challenges > and problems with it – instead of sprouting off that everyone should just > move to it. Let’s acknowledge that IPv6 is critical, we have no option, but > it is also deeply flawed, has major problems, and until start dealing with > those – we will see deployment continue to stutter I agree with the above. The solution is not just another open "discussion" where people who have not even started any kind of deployment, or even have a fair idea of what percentage of equipment might or might not be v6 ready go on an on about problems they've only heard about. > > Should we have a round table discussion at AIS? How can we identify and make > progress on resolving issues with IPv6? > Perhaps we can start with a mailing list thread of SPECIFIC issues people have encountered while attempting a deployment on this mailing list, then build up to a webinar or discussion at AIS. There are probably about 400million users using IPv6 today and growing, someone somewhere has solved those problems. > The common theme in my answers above is that more people running IPv6 > provides more weight in solving problems. If everyone would take a couple of > hours to do three things, we'd have a very broad base of common experience to > draw from: > > 1. Write an address plan. Don't worry if it takes several revisions, that's > normal. > > 2. Apply to Afrinic for IPv6 addresses. > > 3. Announce the IPv6 addresses and route them on your backbone. These are things that we've helped operators implement in 1 day at our deployathons (or 6 two hour sessions during helpdesk calls). It's surprising how many operators need help with their address planning. Which is why not only do we teach them how to determine how much space they get, but also how to implement them in an IPAM. For those interested, a video of a highly attended and rated AFRINIC webinar can be found at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFIVQ_Z9je8&t=542s Step by step walk-through of address planning best practices and implementation in an IPAM ---- no maths! > > AFRINIC's training and IPv6 Helpdesk are great resources. The premise behind the helpdesk is this: We can find ONE operator a month that's committed to deploying IPv6, we keep providing targeted training and coaching to move them from one deployment milestone to another until we get stuck with incompatible equipment or internal collaboration issues. All it takes is about 4 hours investment per week. If you are interested, make a request at bit.ly/6deployEN (english) bit.ly/6deployFR (french) As we do this, we're also building an tremendous amount of intel on what actually HOLDS IPv6 deployment back from real operators attempting to deploy it and so far with over 45 tickets, the evidence indicates that incompatible equipment is not in the top 5. We're also realising that that argument from big operators about "customers aren't asking for it" is not true. We know of large operators that within 2 months have received explicitly written requests to enable IPv6 from large corporate customers. You don't want to see their response :( If you want to host one of our DEPLOYATHON sessions in your country - 5% teaching, 95% DOing - using our Prototype → Validate → Develop → Deploy framework - enables you hit a measurable deployment milestone within 8 hours you can apply at: https://vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=en (or https://vox.afrinic.net/189828?lang=fr in french) And for those who are still wondering how ready or not their organisations are, take our free Organisational IPv6 Readiness Assessment at https://vox.afrinic.net/651525?lang=en (or https://vox.afrinic.net/651525?lang=fr in French) The results might provide pointers where to start the process. Until next time ..... be EXCELLENT -- Mukom Akong T. 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