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On 06/14/18 12:13, MP via AGI wrote: > They’ve done demos for Intel in the past IIRC. But the secrecy (and > yes, I’m aware, as irritating as it is) resides in that they > haven’t patented it yet, and are afraid of secrets being stolen. that's a lame excuse. people don't steal great ideas, only incremental improvements. nah only reason there hasn't been a public demo is because it is narrow, as in only works in the narrow confines of certain environments. also the image you attached doesn't work. > BUT I can show you the high level architecture and tell you guys > now the core system is basically a digraph search system, as are > most CAs these days. What separates Nigel is the way it gathers > data and gains knowledge - through collecting data through our > phones... and paying users for it. > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:01 AM, Ben Goertzel <b...@goertzel.org > <mailto:b...@goertzel.org>> wrote: >> They are claiming "Kimera is the only company that has a working >> AGI, we call it "Nigel AGI"." If they have a working AGI, why >> don't they give a public demonstration and open it up to >> scrutiny... why keep it secret? On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 3:52 PM, >> MP via AGI wrote: > Hmmm... where would you base such an opinion >> off? Furthermore why would the > German research center for AI >> become optimistic about them after having the > tech laid out to >> actually back their claims up? > > What they’re doing is very... >> different from mainstream AI companies. I’ve >>> heard the system has begun to speak in English, too. But again, >>> I’m >> waiting > until I get to interact with it myself before making >> any claims. > > They’re definitely worth looking into. > > Sent >> from ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 2:16 AM, Ben >> Goertzel wrote: > > Kimera ... I mean they seem like smart people >> but the rhetoric associated > with the project is sufficiently >> overblown to make me not want to pay > attention... On Thu, Jun >> 14, 2018 at 3:10 PM, MP via AGI wrote: > Speaking > of which, >> anyone here heard of Kimera Systems and their so-called > AGI > >> Nigel? It seems they’re touting a blockchained powered causal >> inference > > engine as this all-encompassing intelligence >> system. > > I’m still on the > fence. I’m pretty "in" with the >> company as it is, but even > the CEO Mounir > has yet to explain >> to me how it could even solve a Rubik’s > cube... if > anyone >> else has heard of it, what do you guys think? AGI or > overblown >> > general digraph searcher? > > Sent from ProtonMail Mobile >>>>> On Thu, Jun > 14, 2018 at 2:06 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > > >>>>> It's >> OK the Singularity is > still on track ;-) On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 >> at 12:09 > PM, MP via AGI wrote: > > That’s a sad scenario, Ben : >> > > Sent from > ProtonMail Mobile > > > On Wed, > Jun 13, 2018 at >> 10:01 PM, Ben Goertzel > wrote: > > I guess whomever was > paying >> the bills for that list (KurzweilAI?) > got bored > and stopped > >> paying it...? On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 6:12 AM, Steve > Richfield >> > via AGI > wrote: >>> I tried posting on the Singularity forum, but > it bounced. > >>> What > >> is the story > here? > > Steve > > Artificial General > >> Intelligence List > > / AGI / see discussions + participants > + >> delivery > options Permalink -- > Ben > Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org "The dewdrop > world / Is the > dewdrop world >> > / And yet, and yet …" -- Kobayashi Issa > > > >> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General >> Intelligence > >> List: AGI Permalink: > > > >> https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5ada390c367596a4-Me92a64b388a259 27c9e90cf4 >> >> >>> Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups > > >>> Artificial >> General >> Intelligence List / AGI / see discussions + >> participants > + delivery > > options Permalink -- Ben Goertzel, >> PhD http://goertzel.org "The dewdrop > > world / Is the dewdrop >> world / And yet, and yet …" -- Kobayashi Issa > > >> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General >> Intelligence > > List: AGI Permalink: > > >> https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5ada390c367596a4-M47b4a4f93cd967 ea99fac55b >> >> Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups > > >> Artificial General > Intelligence List / AGI / see discussions + >> participants > + delivery > options Permalink -- Ben Goertzel, >> PhD http://goertzel.org "The dewdrop > world / Is the dewdrop >> world / And yet, and yet …" -- Kobayashi Issa > >> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General >> Intelligence > List: AGI Permalink: > >> https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5ada390c367596a4-M88dcfe9c1a6e10 02354363e6 >> >> > Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups > > Artificial >> General Intelligence List / AGI / see discussions + participants >> > + delivery options Permalink -- Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org "The dewdrop world / Is the dewdrop world / >> And yet, and yet …" -- Kobayashi Issa >> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General >> Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: >> https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5ada390c367596a4-M2c980e4aefd0c2 a13e7cc5cd >> >> Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups > *Artificial General Intelligence List > <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* / AGI / see discussions > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + participants > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery options > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups> Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5ada390c367596a4-Mca6250b8a9e5bc > > - -- Logan Streondj, A dream of Gaia's future. twitter: https://twitter.com/streondj You can use encrypted email with me, how to: https://emailselfdefense.fsf.org/en/ key fingerprint: BD7E 6E2A E625 6D47 F7ED 30EC 86D8 FC7C FAD7 2729 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJbJVyhAAoJEIbY/Hz61ycplJ4P/1wkF/MX9Zl0bom7wI4wB7RF e8K3xM1F8bEKeIzvmmqO+EWMfqKRb/X79R71E8LoSRLUtC53i6xMFnrOiohmO1eK T/BpmkulKyNQzAWt3hE/cYxMlJt8W5CSYztItmgV2YGsbQNKdaNUZ4RmhZCnHCAz GqpWl7gq0Z+JQwykiZGYYjy94aO+6elDBhyjy/5YR41vKCXtmuKCCOe+J/XU7fWm FnCer/7fDvbUDPL5RQLPCUKghAFTECPj0BqhwMK/sTazO9rXTN9AzgZ/AIwRowrl Bi2V9MoURmUgSM6XYeVXvQpzmiQ96rigkvkB/CoC3sOZPs9uO5JENyf6zMCBLHtn ewLm3uJ6lgx99Xmj1XBcbY6slwKQPCsNkyrHdlIpWhKEdu3KkL8o27ZVn15lqKeg ufHnp/aHnD0Wz7Zz4LUEQBUrH7VX36zxPvLsVroIVcGXkqLfuUuSJ3s+1qvn6WCk YhMhChB9PSzFWbTBhVdG17GDjMXn8+hb7bycjmtpM+wmTG/Q2iNwAgnMvPjgxKTz IEyjhMYdWwAuybNfmMFbYJ6JniIbON2H3rA2IGUUCepe8ZY+GO7+/cicJn41PHZ+ oe9FstHjPWAXKLBRnPUV3AvcUZJ7IiROsCiMm2udBR5UOgFlOI21pi4O3NY4Cq0L buvJcxQjdwVA67EznDDY =XKIm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5ada390c367596a4-M002ab6490f652b3e3c3b87db Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups
