I guess I understand what you mean. On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 12:07 PM Jim Bromer <jimbro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think your use of metaphors, especially metaphors that were intended to > emphasize your thoughts through exaggeration, may have confused me. Would > you explain your last post Steve? > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 12:02 PM Steve Richfield <steve.richfi...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Too much responding without sufficient thought. After a week of thought >> regarding earlier postings on this thread... >> >> Genuine computation involves manipulating numerically expressible value >> (e.g. 0.62), dimensionality (e.g. probability), and significance (e.g. +/- >> 0.1). Outputs of biological neurons appear to fit this model. >> >> HOWEVER, much of AI does NOT fit this model - yet still appears to >> "work". If this is useful than use it, but there usually is no path to >> better solutions. You can't directly understand, optimize, adapt, debug, >> etc., because it is difficult/impossible to wrap your brain around >> quantities representing nothing. >> >> Manipulations that don't fit this model are numerology, not mathematics, >> akin to bring astrology instead of astronomy. >> >> It seems perfectly obvious to me that AGI, when it comes into being, will >> involve NO numerological faux "computation". >> >> Sure, learning could involve developing entirely new computation, but it >> would have to perform potentially valid computations on it's inputs. For >> example, adding probabilities is NOT valid, but ORing them could be valid. >> >> Steve >> >> On Thu, Jun 20, 2019, 8:22 AM Alan Grimes via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com> >> wrote: >> >>> It has the basic structure and organization of a conscious agent, >>> obviously it lacks the other ingredients required to produce a complete >>> mind. >>> >>> Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: >>> > Prednet develops consciousness? >>> > >>> > On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 06:51 Alan Grimes via AGI <agi@agi.topicbox.com >>> > <mailto:agi@agi.topicbox.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Yay, it seems peeps are finally ready to talk about this!! =P >>> > >>> > >>> > Lets see if I can fool anyone into thinking I'm actually making >>> > sense by >>> > starting with a first principles approach... Permalink >>> > < >>> https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T395236743964cb4b-M686d9fcf7662ad8dc2fc1130 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Please report bounces from this address to a...@numentics.com >>> >>> Powers are not rights. >>> >> *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* >> / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + >> participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery >> options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink >> <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T395236743964cb4b-M3683e7beda9dccf33144d7fc> >> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T395236743964cb4b-Ma51bf1a552c8ffe2e5c51591 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
