On 5/11/21, Matt Mahoney <mattmahone...@gmail.com> wrote: > Maybe electromagnetic noise from neurons is significant. So what?
Matt: Look at your sentence: "maybe electromagnetic noise is significant." That's why we are talking about it. If it is part of the overall *structure* of the brain, thus then the mind, we need to know its role. Maybe it can be modeled by various means, still it's worth the research. If noise > causes nearby neurons to fire, we can still model the effect using synaptic > weights. Normal training will compensate for the effect. > > I don't know what Colin expects to find from his Xchip when he doesn't even > know what it will look like. He is all about science but he has no theory, > no hypothesis, and no planned experiment to test whatever it is. > > On Mon, May 10, 2021, 10:49 PM Mike Archbold <jazzbo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 5/10/21, Matt Mahoney <mattmahone...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > On Mon, May 10, 2021, 4:16 PM Mike Archbold <jazzbo...@gmail.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> I can't speak for Colin but I do know that he isn't implementing >> >> algorithms.... >> >> >> > >> > Exactly. He is proposing an "Xchip" that reproduces the electrical >> > noise >> > produced by real neurons. What he isn't proposing is any sort of >> > experiment, or any chip design, or any rational argument why this noise >> is >> > important other than that the last 70 years of trying to solve AI have >> > failed. He conveniently ignores all the progress we have made in AI >> > with >> > neural networks that model the spiking rate as a continuous signal >> > representing a clamped, weighted sum of inputs and that learn by >> adjusting >> > anything that reduces the output error. It's like he is trying to >> > understand social networks by studying the noise from the CPU circuit >> > board. >> > >> > When Colin can answer my and WOM's questions I will take him seriously. >> But >> > I don't expect that to ever happen. >> >> Well, your argument is a classic "begging the question" where you have >> already presumed the strong electromagnetic field is just noise. Maybe >> it is. Maybe not. Maybe partly. >> >> Plainly a lot happens at the cell level with electric field action. >> Ions are moving around, eg into cells, subject to electric fields. >> What happens at a macro brain level or the middle stages with EMF? Why >> is there a presumption that such activity is noise? >> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T7c7052974ce450f1-Md0204e754295f3cc9890b4cc Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
