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Feeling, Thinking, Knowing By [[louis-arnaud-reid]] In an article on [[carl-jung]], James Hillman writes that at the end of the century " there were no clear distinctions among the various components of the mind which had been grouped, or discarded, in that bag called 'the affective faculty'. From the time of the Enlightenment in Germany, the soul was divided into three parts: thinking, willing and feeling. Fundamentally, this third region of the psyche, like Plato's third class of men, was inferior". Furthermore, this bag of feelings was always in opposition to thinking, or as Moses Mendeslssohn said: "We no longer feel as soon as we think ''. Hillman adds that the opposition between thinking and feeling is still found in the scientistic psychology of head without heart, and the romantic psychology of heart without head. 'We no longer feel as soon as we think'. This might be supplemented by other over-simple generalizations: 'As soon as we think we make statements': 'To claim to know anything entails (inter alia) being able to state it clearly': 'Knowledge is expressed in the form "that-p"; what cannot be so expressed is not knowledge'. These are, doubtless, oversimplified--through the paradigm 'that-p' is normally taken for granted in epistemological discussions: moreover, this is an assumption which has dominated western thought. On the other hand philosophers and plain men constantly give cognitive nuances to feeling-words and ideas, suggesting 'feelings' and 'intuitions' which have something of a cognitive-claiming character. We at all times speak of cognitive 'feelings' about moral and humanitarian matters, about people, works of art, political decisions. Ryle listed different uses of the word 'feeling', some of which are cognitive-claiming. Jung used 'feeling' in various cognitive ways, but very pragmatically and often inconsistently. 'Feeling' is used cognitively by philosophers--existentialists, phenomenologists ... by James, Bradley, Alexander, Whitehead, MacMurray, Langer ... by Gestalt psychologists -- in a large variety of ways. In the twenties (and more recently), I argued for feelings as cognitive. Very much the same line was taking in the fifties about 'emotion' -- often too easily run together with feeling, as if the two were identical. There was a sort of rediscovery of the cognitive element intrinsic to emotion -- by Bedford, J.R. Jones, Kenny, Peters, Mace ... 'Emotions', it was argued, cannot be understood merely in terms of internal ongoings, but are integral with cognition and behavior relevant to the situations in which they arise. Peters' term 'appraisal' (cognitive appraisal) of the situation, sums up the best of it. (It is substantially the same as what I was trying to say but of feeling, in the twenties.) Although 'feeling' has been so variously used, and there is a large literature of emotion, the dominance of the 'that-p' concept of knowledge has been so powerful and sustained that it has tended to force the reduction of other sorts of knowing to its own pattern. This is particularly questionable in claims to know values -- moral, personal , aesthetic -- where, though knowledge-that may have it's important place, it is not everything. Feeling there at least seems to have an essential cognitive part to play. I can do no more than suggest nowe that neglect of that is not only detrimental in philosophy itself, but has serious moral, social and educational consequences as well. I believe the time is more than ripe for a fresh look at the relations between feeling and knowing. 2 The treatment of feeling by many 'straight' psychologists earlier in the century was thin. (And in some later textbooks, it is perhaps not surprising that writers self-blinded by wholly behavioristic approaches, have not even mentioned 'feeling' in their indexes!) Earlier, feeling was mainly regarded as a hedonic tone-- sometimes as the tone of emotion -- with a range from the positively pleasurable to the (negatively) unpleasurable. Whether there could be 'neutral' feeling in between, was a matter of controversy. Feeling was sharply distinguished from the character of the concrete mental states of which it was the character or quality. And it was said to be intransitive, and definitely non-cognitive. Feeling (some held) does not even 'know' facts of inner occurrences" feeling is 'the way you feel'. I remarked on the habit of running the words 'feeling' and 'emotion' together, as though distinctions don't matter here. They do. But since this paper is on feeling, not emotion, I cannot say anything adequate now about emotion and its relation to and distinction from feeling. I can only affirm, without supporting argument, that actual emotions are largely episodic, whilst feeling, I shall suggest, is underlyingly present through conscious lifeL most of the time when we feel we are not having emotional feelings at all. Emotional feelings occur when there is an 'appraisal' by the psychophysical organism as a whole (not 'cognitively' only, but cognitively-conatively-affectively-organically), of any situation which we are in, and in which, because of this total appraisal, we are stirred up, excited, etc., in countlessly different ways, in a marked degree-- a degree not precisely definable. And there, for now, I must leave 'emotion'. It is just possible that the rest of the paper may, indirectly, show my statement to be less bald than, standing by itself, it must appear to be. 3 Because there is no generally accepted usage of the word 'feeling' (except for the earlier, inadequate uses), I shall start with a clean slate and stipulate my own-- bearing in mind that stipulative uses can be justified if they can clarify and illuminate. I have hinted at the seriously detrimental effects of the division between feeling and other aspects of active mind. If we can reconceive feeling in its setting in the whole economy of the psychophysical organism in living transaction with a world which is independent of it, and recognize feeling as in organic relation with everything else, I believe that such reconception will throw light in various ways on knowledge and understanding. 'Feeling' is indefinable, except by so-called 'ostensive' definition: it can be displayed in examples of its different manifestations. According to Susanne Langer, feeling, the mark of mentality, emerges at a certain stage of evolution, when "neurophysiological processes can be said to 'break through to feeling'". Like -- but it is of course only an analogy -- the incandescence of a piece of iron at a high temperature, feeling is the living process becoming aware of itself. At this primitive stave, feeling just seems to happen, and this consciousness, the emergence of the primitively psychological from the irritable physiological, is a mystery no one has yet begun to understand. But two things have to be kept in mind: 1) the inseparability of the organic processes from the organism's feeling of it, the fact that as Langer puts it, the "being felt is a phase of the process itself". On the other hand (2) there is the conceptual distinction between the feeling, which is (if primitively) mental, and the organic processes which are felt. Even at this stage, the notion of feeling as living process becoming aware of itself has a dimly cognitive flavour, even if the cognition is, so far, of a rudimentary kind. Feeling, on one side of it, is feeling-of, and on the other side, it has a content -- at this low level, sensation-content. There is never just feeling: feeling awareness could not be without feeling of something. At the human level, the denial by earlier psychologists (e.g. Woodworth) that feeling is cognitively transitive, was wrong. We can't experience the feeling of sensations of toothache or tiredness without, indivisibly, feeling toothache or tiredness (though we need not be naming them). Yet granting this, it is important to keep the conceptual distinction between feeling, or immediate experiencing, and the content of that feeling. Feeling is the most immediate, inward and private thing we know, and is is the inner side of conscious experience in the widest and most usually accepted sense of that term, conscious experience which in human beings includes action of various kinds, thinking, imagining, having moral and aesthetic experiences, maybe religious ones, coming to know and coming to terms with the external world, ourselves and other people ... Feeling is the immediate experience of indwelling in that conscious life in its most inclusive sense. To symbolize the conceptual distinction between feeling and its content -- without which discussion can be muddled -- I shall sometimes use 'IE' for the participles denoting the process or event of feeling or immediate experiencing, and 'C' to stand for content of feeling. Feeling as it actually occurs is always IE(C). I suggested above that feeling is 'underlyingly' present throughout conscious life. Usually it is tacit (Polanyi's word) not focal. We are, of course, often consciously aware of feeling, and under a very wide range of conditions, usually when hedonic tone (positive or negative) is marked, and when we say there is 'affect'. By affect I mean here not just hedonic done, but the markedly toned feeling of the whole complex which is felt (IE)C. This toned feeling of the whole complex has what may be called 'quality', strictly speaking unnamable because each complex felt is a particular, different from every other; and the quality of feeling or affect shares in this particularity. But apart from very definite affect of which we are consciously aware, there can be underlying affect which is less strong or definite, as in a general mood; and this can color the rest of conscious experience. We are depressed, or sad, or elated, or happy... The 'spectacles' are dark or rose coloured ... Then there are many occasions when there is no noticeable affect at all, and we are not consciously aware of feeling as such. But even then, there can be said to be underlying feeling. Lacing one's shoes, putting out the milk bottles or the cat, as routine activities, normally have not affect worth mentioning. But if we retrospect, we can recognise the feeling of being on the inside of the experience, and recognise that if it were not for the underlying intuitive feeling-awareness, we could not have the focal experience of carrying out these activities. 4 It is clear (and no one disputes) that feeling is on one side very private and subjective, and that this has often been identified with hedonic tone. But here we are interested in the relation of feeling to the cognitive functions of mind. When, however, the words 'cognition' and 'cognitive' are used, it will be necessary for the purposes of this particular discussion to remember several things. (1) The term 'cognition' must be taken in a very open way and given a wide range of application. 'Cognition' must not be confined here to the 'that-p' form, to beliefs expressed in clear propositional statements, rationally checked for their truth in prescribed (and proscribed) ways. This is one main sort of knowledge, but one only. I want to include also direct experience-knowledge, acquaintance-knowledge (not in Russell's restricted sense), as well as knowing-that, connaitre and kennen as well as savior and wissen. (2) I am assuming that there are degrees of knowing, and error and truth mixed. Misapprehension is cognitive, though erroneous, and 'truth' a regulative ideal of cognition. (3) I am talking now of claims of knowledge. Validation, testing, 'proof' of knowledge-claims also of course need consideration. I shall have a word to say on this at the end. Negatively, emphasis on the private and subjective aspect of feeling has led to its isolation from the rest of active knowing mind. In the objective stress on fields of propositional knowing such as mathematics and the sciences, it is easy to overlook feeling as having any part to play in such knowledge. On the other hand everyone knows that the active truth-seeking mind has its 'passion for truth'. Again, feeling can be a pioneer for knowledge-to-come; tentative hypotheses are often 'felt' before they are explicitly formulated; there are 'feelings-after', hunches, and so on. Emotions, of course, are deeply suspect. Even the passion for truth can be distorted into bias. This is fair enough, and it is true that what T.H. Huxley called 'clear cold logic engine of the mind' has a dominant part to play in some kinds of propositional knowledge. The main aim of business is to get as near to impersonal and objective truth as possible. We do attach proper names to great discoveries--Newton, Darwin, Einstein, Planck ... But it is, in the end, the truths that matter and not the fact that their discoverers had significant cognitive-feeling-experiences about them, or that they may have had to suppress their feelings and desires. This, at any rate, would be a prevailing view among many scientists. I do not say all, or always. And I am certainly not saying that the total human value of the life of science can be summed up by saying that it is productive of important propositional truths. But in doing science the truths can be, with justifications, distinguished, even separated, from the value experiences. It is when we come to values, and to our claims to know them, that the importance of feeling, its relation to knowing, and its function in the process of knowing, begins to stand out most clearly. On the one hand, we cannot know values at all without, at some stage (not all the time), feeling them. On the other hand we cannot justify our judgements of value without various detachedly cognitive processes of thought and action. Feeling and active thinking and doing are all in organic relation to each other in a way here which is much more clearly marked than when we are thinking, relatively impersonally, about value-free matters of fact, about what 'is the case'. There, the main function of feeling in relation to the search for factual knowledge might be called an auxiliary one: here, as I am suggesting, feeling is intrinsic at some stage to the knowing, or organically related to it. In both cases we require transitiveness, the self-transcendence, of cognition apprehending what is independent of the apprehending mind. But in knowing values, I am saying, it is different: in moral, or aesthetic, knowledge the feeling of the value of what we know is inseparable from and continuous with the self-transitive knowing of it. In cognitive experience of value, feeling is part of the knowing, and colours what is known. Aesthetically, in poet's mood, the ... daisies pied and violets blue And lady smocks all silver-White And cuckoo-buds of yellow ---------- Do paint the meadows with delight.... Intrinsic values can be thought of generically as what we are interested in, care about, desire, feel-for (or feel-against). Value is a bipolar concept: there is a psychophysical pole, a pro or con approach, and an objective pole. This is obviously a minimal account: value situations in the most general sense are situations in which we feel-about-something, and the 'value' is what we feel-about. We have to feel: sometimes feeling leads to values of lasting and enlarging importance; sometimes they turn out to be spurious, false. The rationale of different sorts of value judgements is clearly of paramount importance. V Leaving all this for the moment, I want to return to the 'that-p' concept of knowledge, in order to consider how it affects the very possibility of a catholic or inclusive account of knowledge. I am assuming the familiar current theory of propositional knowledge-that which takes the form: 'I am sure about (or believe) p: it is true (or 'the case'); and I have a right (or good reasons) to be sure'... Such a statement is on its own showing a self-restricted account in that it applies to the propositional genre only. But if we go further, and take it as 'the' paradigm of knowledge, the way is automatically closed to consideration of other kinds of knowledge-claims, already mentioned. Apart from knowing-how, which Ryle expounded, there is the knowledge 'with the direct object', acquaintance-knowledge of fact or value. These cannot be exhaustively explained in terms of propositional knowledge-that, knowledge-about. Knowledge of fact cannot be so exhaustively explained. There is, always, the cognisising of a given element. Take a borderline example. Sitting waiting in my stationary car, I suddenly feel a sharp impact on my back. There is an instant of felt sensation experiencing (IE) of what we can subsequently describe in the words as 'impact-of-car-hitting-my-car-from-behind' (IE)C. But for the first instant, there are no words. Words start when I exclaim 'What's that!' Then comes the diagnosis. But the very question 'What's that?' (subtly transformed from an exclamation to a question) presupposes experience-'knowledge' of that about which the question is asked. Usually knowledge-about (expressible in statements) and experience-knowledge overlap, or coincide, though they are distinguishable. If the word 'intuition' be taken here to mean apprehension of a field as a whole, and I have (say) an immediate intuition (experience-knowledge) of an area of my Study, my intuition has content, of which it can be said that, on the one hand, I know it simply given the experience of perception now, without words (and I know 'about' it in that sense). On the other hand, I know its content as a precipitate of knowledge-that, acquired, partly through language, accumulated and assimilated from the past. I know-that there are books, chairs, desks, etc... But these have their place in the field of my total intuition which in itself is not expressible in propositional language. As before, knowledge-about as expressed in words, presupposes wordless non-propositional experience-knowledge, is dependent on it. It is true that when we are focally interested in propositional knowledge-about particular facts, experience-knowledge falls into the background: this is true in abstract thinking, perhaps outstandingly so in the focus on symbolic meaning in pure mathematics. When, on the other hand, we turn knowledge of values (where feeling as cognitive plays an essential part), experience-knowledge can be of central importance. I will take an example from aesthetic value now, and return to it later. Suppose, in the Tate, I am struck, almost stunned by the complex magnificence of a huge Turner. Here, obviously, I could say, and go on saying, all sorts of things about it-- its colors, patterns, composition, its space...And often, in criticism, description and analysis plan an important part in helping our appreciation. But those are all subsidiary to, parasitic upon, something else, the direct wordless intuition of the picture as a whole. It would be shocking nonsense to suggest that all the most excellent statements about the picture, however many, could possibly, in themselves, and without being assimilated into something different -- the intuition of the picture -- add up to aesthetic knowledge. There is a positive content in experience-knowledge of art which cannot be propositionally 'said' at all. And this is central. The same soft of thing can be said of knowledge of persons. Since the 'that-p', 'knowledge-about' model, with its focus on the truth of statements, will not do for aesthetic and other kinds of knowing, it is worth considering whether a sort of 'Copernican' revolution in the theory of the relation of knowing to truth may not open the way to a more catholic view of knowledge. I said earlier, of attempts to get as near as possible to impersonal and objective truth (e.g. in science) that subjective process of coming to know-- the experiences of the feeling, knowing minds who propose and in some degree possess the knowledge -- tend to be forgotten and to fall into the background. A habit develops of thinking of systems of true propositions as though they existed on their own, as though knowledge could, almost, be defined in terms of the truth of independent-standing propositions. I say 'almost', because in the definition, 'belief' or 'being sure' are mentioned. Yet the living mind which searches after knowledge, falls into the shadowy background and propositional truth seems to assume dazzling, blinding importance. One kind of truth, propositional truth, is like the sun, the knowing mind a dark planet, or, if illuminated, deriving its light as knowing from the impersonal source, it's only, single sun. But suppose we get away from, the notion of truth--after all never satisfactorily defined, as belonging to propositions. Suppose we think instead of the searching mind as the active center (a very uncertain 'sun'!) from which the very possibility of all cognitive illumination emanates, and think of tentative truth-claims, perhaps of many kinds, as functions of the seeking mind working on its job, trying to do it well, and in some degree, even if small, succeeding. Or more widely, of truth and other sorts of validity as a quality of the measure of the success of the whole psychophysical organism as it tries, cognitively and in other ways, to come to terms with itself and the world it inhabits. This view cannot be developed now: but however vague it sounds, it at least does not submit knowing and knowledge to the dominations of one -- never defined -- propositional model of truth. And positively, it will be possible then to consider openly other kinds of cognitive claims of the exploring psychophysical organism -- feeling, active, creative, as well as knowing. Having removed a barrier, it will then be easier to consider these other ways mentioned -- the tentative seeking to know persons, moral good, aesthetic value. And it will be easier to see how feeling functions as an organic part of the cognising, as it does not so function in more detached and impersonal knowing. All this can, of course, merely be suggested. And questions of attempted justification of the claims, I shall mention only very briefly at the end, referring particularly to aesthetic knowing. VI In knowing persons, we have, in addition to learning many things about them as we go along, to feel with, and often for, them in direct encounter. What I meet when I encounter another person is not just a cluster of descriptive predicates nor just a 'case' with certain classifiable characteristics. I meed a person now, face to face, and it is for this individual (individual not instance) for whom I have empathy and sympathy, manifestations of cognitive feeling. If there is absence of cognitive feeling, there is a lack of something in the knowing. And here I am not thinking of what is called 'emotional involvement' with another person, but of a self-transcending cognitive effort in which cognitive feeling plays and indispensable part. Moral knowing has, of course, been enormously written over (as has knowing of other persons). Here I am concerned chiefly with knowledge of basic principles of good -- rather than with rules of right-doing -- and with knowing good directly and intuitively. There has to be a point somewhere in the knowing of morally good when we cognitively feel it as good. An example is the direct intuitive apprehension of caritas, care for the good of others; sometimes it is compassion. To feel caritas as good we have to know it directly in a bit of actual immediate experience, in some personal situation. Knowing and feeling here are inseparable. I am saying that (at some stage) feeling plays an essential part in the knowledge of a person and in the knowledge of an intrinsic moral value like caritas. I am not saying that feeling alone -- perhaps a moment of felt insight -- can apprehend caritas clearly in its fullness; its existential meaning can be known more fully only be knowing it in its operation in the total complex of human living which caritas can infuse and transform. And this knowledge and understanding demands all the powers of knowing, critical thinking, active feeling mind, working together. The same is true of the knowledge of other moral values -- integrity, justice... To put more generally: the feeling being discussed now obviously is not like what had to be mentioned earlier, the feeling of a bodily, sensational experience of, say, toothache, or having a hot bath (Such a feeling is recognisably cognitive, but in a week and uninteresting sense.) It is not even just a warm immediately felt mental or spiritual appreciation of some shining manifestation of caritas or integrity -- however apposite on the occasion that may be. What is before us now is feeling entering as an element into some of the highest and most human enterprises -- personal, moral, and, as we shall see, aesthetic. It is feeling as a necessary part of apprehending important and complex human values. Feeling, I am suggesting, can feed, nourish, enlarge and enrich the content of that thinking. This in turn can, retroactively, affect the concrete realisation of the values. The concern is with feeling, thinking, acting--distinguishable of course, but through of now not in abstracted separation from one another, but as related, as interacting in the way that only the parts of an organism (here the psychophysical organism) can interact with one another. They contribute to each other, modify each other and the whole, so that thinking, feeling, knowing and action, working together, can be come a function of the whole organism. In the space left, I can only hint at how this happens in art. (It is developed more fully in my Meaning in the Arts.) The phenomenological story of the place of feeling in the arts is an endless one. Not only are there many forms of art, each with special characteristics, but each work is an individual; and feeling, as concrete, will be individual too. But that the knowing of any individual work or art involves the cognitive aesthetic feeling, cant I think reasonably be in doubt. The knowledge and understanding of a poem or a picture or a piece of music requires the use of several modes of understanding; but what unites them all into relevance is the cognitive feeling of and for the individual work as a complex whole and as it is presented. To say this is not to retreat into subjectivity, as if the feeling were a private ongoing within the mind-and-body: that would be the watertight faculty-view all over again. If the feeling is regarded as sharing in the self-transcending activities of the active cognitive organism, then it fulfils a function which they alone could not achieve. Of course the embodied mind, as active and knowing, has to divide up things in order to deal with them: we can (more or less) only do one thing at a time, and can only give focal attention to this or that abstracted aspect of a cognised situation at any one moment. But feeling, with its inner continuity and flowing changes of toned-quality as the content of feeling changes, is the tacit underlying influence. For example, a performing musician has much 'cognitive' work to do in studying his score; musical analysis and synthesis is one part of learning music. He has to attend, too, his senses alive and active, to the medium of the music and to muscular and many other skills involved in performance. Though there is constant overlapping, it would be fair to say that for the most accomplished musicians (it may be different in geniuses like Mozart) these processes take time, and have (more or less) to be done at different times, in a relatively slow learning process. But though these seritim processes are necessary, they also have to be 'forgotten' as far as the focal attention of the mind is concerned, and the effects of all of them have to be gathered into the fluid, single concentrated relevant cognitive feeling for the actual music as a complex unity. Musical knowledge in action is felt knowledge in action. Until this happens there can be correctness, technique, conscientiousness, but not musical vitality. It is the vitality of knowing here, the living embodiment of felt knowledge in the psychophysical organism of the musical performer, and the aesthetic embodiment of it in the performed music, which is the crux of it all. And, perhaps, a further point can be made. Feeling, here affect, is not only a uniting cognitive awareness of the living whole. It is a reinforcement of vitality. Silvan S. Tomkins, writing of emotion as motivating power, and speaking of instinctive drives, argues that drives without affect are not in themselves sufficient to fulfil their functions. Two of his examples are anoxic deprivation and sexual tumescence. In gasping, choking, drowning, it is not simply the imperious demand for oxygen which drives, but also the rapidly mounting panic. Pilots who refused to wear oxygen masks at 30,000ft suffered a more gradual anoxic deprivation, which resulted not in panic, but euphoria. Some met death with a smile on their lips. "It was the affect of enjoyment which the more slowly developing signal recruited." And in sex, tumescence, product of the sexual drive, is not in itself enough; it requires the excitement of the whole man, not merely his sexual organ. I suggest that these, very different, examples could be taken as reinforcing the claim that feeling, in the aesthetic situation, is an 'amplifier'... On the side of artistic creation, too, feeling has an important part to play. In artistic creation there is a stage in which something like what [[jean-piaget]] calls 'syncretistic thinking' takes place. Anton Ehrenzweig, concerned with art, speaks of the contrast between our highly differentiated thought and 'undifferentiated' thinking. He writes: "the deeper we penetrate into low level imagery and fantasy the more the single track divides and branches into unlimited directions so that in the end its structure appears chaotic. The creative thinker is capable of alternating between differentiated and undifferentiated modes of thinking, harnessing them together to give him service for solving very definite tasks. The uncreative psychotic succumbs to the tensions between conscious (differentiated) and unconscious (undifferentiated) modes of mental functioning. As he cannot integrate their divergent functions, true chaos ensues." Without digressing on this interesting remark about the psychotic or begging any questions about the unconscious, we can apply another word, 'dedifferentiated', which Ehrenzweig also uses in discussing the creative thinker. I think the actual word, though better than 'undifferentiated', is less than perfect. For if we consider what happens within the margins of the artist's conscious experience, there can never be a complete escape from the differentiation which with the aid of language we have learned to make from babyhood on. In other words, in conscious life, even to its margins, there can never be complete de-differentiation. (I am not denying what may happen in the 'unconscious' or through its influence; here and now it is simply not being discussed.) I think a better word is 'dediscursive'... And that this kind of thinking and feeling does occur in the process of artistic creation, there is no doubt. The processes of artistic creation vary enormously with different artists, and are not well understood; and there are no rules. But in (say) the composing of poetry, there can be a time when the poet is relaxed from the focal tensions of ordinary thinking or logical rules. He lets himself sink into what can best be called a feeling state, in which floating images, snatches or strings of words, enter his mind and are received semi-passively, without critical scrutiny, seeming to form themselves as they 'will' into patterns which he accepts without trying, at that moment, to make sense of them. In terms of everyday thinking they may be 'nonsense'. The poet at this stage is in a child-like--but not a childish--receptive mood. He accepts the images and words, in a sense attends to them and in a queer way can enjoy them. He may be able to retain them in memory for later poetic use, or he may scribble, not caring whether they are 'nonsense' or not: perhaps he enjoys it all in a kind of ecstasy which is difficult to describe to anyone who does not know it directly, and which to commonsense may seem quite mad. But later, the poem may come. The story of this artists' madness must be as old as history. Socrates speaks of the poets in this way, poking gentle fun at them. As usual, Shakespear puts it better than anyone: "The poet's eye, in a fine frenzy rolling Doth glance from heaven to earth, from earth to heaven And as imagination bodies forth The forms of things unknown, the poet's pen Turns them into shapes and gives to airy nothing A local habitation and a name Painters know it too in their own ways. The ordinary laws of Gestalt are relaxed; spaces between solid objects become positive shapes, sky is no longer background to landscape but integral with it; composition is sometimes like automatic writing. And in the coming together into an artifact, feeling for the whole, alike in poetry and painting and other arts, dominates the forming and direction of the parts. At the receiving end of art, again, we have to allow global cognitive feeling to have its way. Through cognitive, but dediscursive, feeling we become able to grasp new structures, new values, new aesthetic meaning so completely embodied in its formed medium that it cannot be 'said' in any other way, and certainly not said in ordinary discursive language. VII The discussion in this paper has been mainly of cognitive claims arising out of direct value-experiences in which feeling plays an essential part. These cognitive claims inevitably issue, at some stage, in value judgements which take the form of propositional statements claiming, at least tentatively, to be true. But claims are one thing; the validation of them, another. The validation of judgements of value --ethical, and here particularly aesthetic--is a highly complex and controversial problem, on which there has been a large amount of writing. In aesthetics, it is much tied up with the claims of works of art to be individual and unique. As it is impossible here to say anything philosophically significant on this question, I must -- with art in mind -- content myself with a mere statement of belief. I believe there can be validation of judgements about art. There are no knock-down arguments or proofs. But 'arguments' of a sort, and the giving of 'reasons' or 'grounds', there can be. In attempted justification of aesthetic judgments about art, the form of thinking is different in some essential respects from argument and reasoning in other fields. But there is no doubt that there can be reasonable discussion between people of perceptive aesthetic experience. And though there will always be, and very properly, disagreements and disputes about aesthetic 'taste' ('no disputing about tastes' is false here), enlightened discourse among enlightened people, who combine assertion with listening and learning, can modify and correct partial views and improve aesthetic understanding, moving through more liberally grounded opinion nearer to 'knowledge'. And some things we can safely be said to know--for example that Shakespear is a better poet than McGonagall. But I don't think the fact that even McGonagall 'knew' it is much evidence! VIII In conclusion: I have used 'knowing', 'knowledge', 'cognition' in a wide, and on some views a loose sense. As far as the propositional form goes, this is no worse than Plato's ranging about from Eikasia and Pistis to Dianois and Epsiteme or Noesis. At the bottom end, crazy beliefs, conjectures, opinions are not 'knowledge' in the sense of Dianoia or the (ideal) Noesis. But they are all, in our wide sense, 'cognitive'. And if direct 'experience-knowledge' is postulated as being cognitive, its range is equally wide, from worm-like (cognitive) feeling, or vague, scarcely differentiated human feelings of 'something there', right up to the developed and educated direct insights into (say) moral goodness or the complex aesthetic quality of works of art -- these being nourished and illuminated by reflective thinking assimilated into the insights. The contextual meanings of [[Plato]]'s Noesis or [[spinoza]]'s [[Scientia Intuitiva]] of course make words inapplicable here. But the profound insight into a work of art has something of the supposed directness of Noesis. If, on the other hand we go on just assuming what is etymologically, epistemologically, psychologically (and occasionally even clinically) in effect a schizoid division of thinking and knowing from feeling, these insights will be incomprehensible. And we shall go on suffering from the many damaging effects--not only in philosophy but in education and elsewhere--of the denial of human wholeness. On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 6:00 PM Mike Archbold <jazzbo...@gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/9/21, Daniel Jue <d...@cognami.com> wrote: > > > > > In a 1977 paper by Louis Arnaud Reid in the Proceedings of the > Aristotelian > > Society #77 "Thinking, Feeling, Knowing" doi > 10.1093/aristotelian/77.1.165 > > , the author gives a (IMO) great argument about how "feeling" (not > > necessarily those marked by noticeable hedonic tones) are an inseparable > > part of our "knowing" something, both before and after we proclaim to > know > > that something. > > > > > > > I will have to get this paper. Whenever I think too much about > understanding I come up against this problem that understanding is (at > least in part) a *feeling*. Thanks! > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 9, 2021 at 2:03 PM Mike Archbold <jazzbo...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> You've got an opinion. We all do! > >> > >> I'm doing a survey of opinions about "understanding" for the meetup > >> --> > >> > https://www.meetup.com/Northwest-Artificial-General-Intelligence-Meetup-Group/ > >> > >> 2 events are envisioned this summer: > >> > >> 1) Survey -- discuss tribal opinions in the AGI community as well as > >> published works about what "understanding" means for a machine, > >> > >> 2) Critiques and Conclusions -- compare, generalize, hopefully reach > >> some conclusions. > >> > >> So what is your definition of "understanding"? I have collected about > >> a dozen so far and will publish along with the events. > >> > >> We are also having an in person event this month for those around > >> western Washington: > >> > >> > https://www.meetup.com/Northwest-Artificial-General-Intelligence-Meetup-Group/events/279258207/ > >> > >> Thanks Mike Archbold > > > > > > -- > > Daniel Jue > > Cognami LLC > > 240-515-7802 > > www.cognami.ai -- Daniel Jue Cognami LLC 240-515-7802 www.cognami.ai ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Tf91e2eafa2515120-M8f52ea9ae75c8e77b8d1ed88 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription