In general, Gatekeepers are equivalent to Goalkeepers. It's a social, closed-systems construct. To expect progressive compression from that is unrealistic.
On Tue, 21 Jul 2026, 03:48 James Bowery, <[email protected]> wrote: > Like William C. Norris, Jay Forrester was just another farm kid from > Nebraska. He was instrumental in creating the electronic computer (1951 > Whirlwind project). Why then did he almost immediately abandon computer > engineering? > > To pursue what I agree is the most important application of computation: > > Macrosocial Dynamical Systems > <https://github.com/jabowery/HumesGuillotine>. > > This <https://youtu.be/k_GtTqt3QAA>interview shortly before his death > <https://youtu.be/k_GtTqt3QAA> reflects what I, too, have experienced: > > People think "AGI" or "ASI" or whatever, is the most important > application of computers nowadays. I suppose there is a sense of > "important" that may apply. For example, an asteroid "the size of Texas" > hitting Earth at 20km/sec could be considered important. However, it might > be just as important to understand the system dynamics of multibody > gravitational interaction so one could direct a small impulse at apogee to > make its effect less destructive. > > The data selection process must include those with the greatest influence > on macrosocial narratives; challenge them to produce the data upon which > they base their narratives. This is because centalization of social policy > is bringing us to the brink of a rhyme with Gutenberg Press -> > Decentralization of Religious Agency -> 30 Years War in which the Internet > -> Populism ->... is the current state of the rhyme. This will be somewhat > like attempting to bring the Jesuits together with the Calvinists and > Lutherans to debate theology, but the fact that nowadays everyone dons the > robes of the white lab coat gives hope that they may at least be > embarrassed into an honest dialogue. > > Once that dataset is agreed upon -- and we can afford to make it extremely > inclusive so long as we don't let people claim that they jusst HAVE to > include torrents of real time data so they can declare the whole project to > be impractical -- you need devote only about 1% of the computation and > money already going into the Texas-sized asteroid -- to make its > incremental lossless compression a prize competition that is impervious to > conflicts of interest, such as leakage of evaluation data or endless > palavering that will influence no one to do anything about the asteroid > until it is too late. > *Artificial General Intelligence List <https://agi.topicbox.com/latest>* > / AGI / see discussions <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + > participants <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + > delivery options <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> > Permalink > <https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5b58bcc51c493d41-Mcaab652417203653f5819cea> > ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T5b58bcc51c493d41-M3518cf141b356f423684cac2 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
