True about the Amish. Their life expectancy is about 3 years longer for men and 1 year for women compared to other white people in a 2012 study in Pennsylvania. The Amish have lower rates of most health issues except pregnancy and childbirth complications, probably from having more children and giving birth at home, which probably explains the sex difference. But you can't tell from the study whether this is from refusing vaccines or because they don't smoke, drink, or drive cars (fewer accidents) and get more physical activity from farm work.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23284714/ In any case, the Amish benefit from the eradication of smallpox and polio in the rest of the population. Amish children do get autism but at a lower rate, 1 in 271 children vs 1 in 91 in the general population. https://www.advancedtherapyclinic.com/blog/do-amish-kids-get-autism But this isn't because of vaccines. The autism rate has been rising because autism is a spectrum and kids that used to just be nerdy because they carried a pocket slide rule are now being diagnosed as borderline. People keep citing the 1998 Wakefield study of 12 children that got the MMR vaccine and was later retracted because the author falsified the data, and not all of the followup studies that totaled 12 million children and found no link, but still had to be done to remove any doubt. It was suggested that the cause was mercury in the thimerosol preservative, but when that was removed in 2001 the diagnosis rate kept going up. As for covid-19, yes the vaccine has side effects. I got the 2 shots as soon as I could in spring 2021 and later a booster, and each time I got a mild fever and felt blah for a day. My mother died at 90 from covid in summer of 2020 from an outbreak in her nursing home that killed 3 other residents. I had covid 3 times once a year starting in January 2022 with the milder omicron variant that the vaccine didn't work on. Each time it was just a mild cold and a slight cough for a week, so I didn't bother with the updated vaccines. I understand that people are afraid of needles and don't like being forced to take experimental drugs. I understand it is impossible to study long term side effects when you are racing to produce anything that works and 5000 people are dying per day. So the vaccine makers do the best they can, using the general principle that a dead virus is safer than a live virus and produces an immune response in most diseases that people can recover from. (There is no vaccine for AIDS because you don't recover). We do know that the vaccine saved between 1.4 and 20 million lives depending on which study you believe. Here is the low estimate. https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama-health-forum/fullarticle/2836434 And the high estimate, which I think is speculative. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9537923/ This does not include the 3 million lives I estimate were saved in China by strict lockdowns and testing by delaying the outbreak until after Omicron, reducing the fatality rate from 0.4% to 0.1%. Of course the lockdowns and masks were a failure everywhere else and probably killed more people than they saved. Officially, the pandemic killed 6 million people out of 20 million excess deaths worldwide. And after the pandemic and mass vaccinations, we had a full economic recovery and global life expectancy continues to rise at 0.2 years per year everywhere in the world. https://www.statista.com/chart/35486/change-in-life-expectancy-at-birth-in-g20-countries-since-1960/ -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] On Fri, Sep 4, 2026, 6:17 AM John Rose via AGI <[email protected]> wrote: > On Thursday, September 03, 2026, at 4:46 PM, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Maybe we will evolve to reject modern technology, like the fast growing > Amish and Haredim populations. > > > Here’s a status update on the Amish and the system here. In NY State the > Amish are threatening to leave. Approximately 26,000 of them with all their > businesses, some similar groups may leave also. NY State removed religious > exemptions from vaccines right before COVID. Amish children have zero > autism, allergies, chronic diseases, SIDS, etc.. there were like 3 autism > cases in children who were adopted and injected. They are refusing to > inject their children schooled in Amish built schoolhouses. NY State > demands that all children get injected even now when ALL shots are in > question. After what we know with 100’s of peer reviewed studies on the > COVID shot with all kinds of medical problems increasing at high rates > everywhere, turbo cancers, heart problems, clots, etc. NY State government > is still clueless and captured brainwashed on jacked-up statistics. Then > ask an LLM like ChatGPT if the COVID injection is safe, here’s the first > line: > > “Yes—for most people, COVID-19 vaccines have a good safety profile, but > they are not risk-free. CDC says most reactions are mild to moderate and > resolve within 1–3 days.“ > > And the MRNA Flu Shot has been approved by the FDA where it’s been shown > that the old flu shot actually increases flu and death with the new one > minimally tested on mice with questionable results. The measles shot > recently has been unmandated, a couple people have been claimed to die of > measles, shown not to but now it’s almost a national emergency. When I was > a child the moms would have measles parties, everyone would get it, their > immune system software would get updated and be done. > > I don’t get it. I mean I get it, there’s profit in making people sick and > subsequently medically treating them when the same entities own insurance > companies like there’s profit in stacking bodies in unnecessary wars, but I > don’t get how the average person can’t figure it out. I do understand > there’s mind control since the same entities run media companies and God > knows what else is in the airwaves and nano. But why so few give a rip? Are > we that gone? Are people waiting for someone else to do it? > > Yes, I’ve stopped trying to convince medical doctors, they get bonuses for > each shot, often most of their revenue is in injections. I’ve stopped > arguing with normies and NPC’s they’re unreachable. So you research the > monetary system which is a complicated scary rabbit hole and that’s where I > see most of the problems originating from. And it all ties into what is > happening and what will happen to some extent in AI since it’s blooming > into existing systems. > > We can just look at the good and happy things and ignore the bad stuff > otherwise get labeled a party pooper but who is going to do the dirty work, > the risky work? Who’s going to clean up the mess when the experiments go > wrong? To answer that you look into the past, when diseases escape from the > lab, when nuclear radiation leaks, when electromagnetic transmission is > bad, when chemical utilization causes problems, when ecological disasters > are induced, when monetary systems fail, when social experiments cause > chaos and mandated ideologies damage society, who’s going to deal with it > and clean it up? Typically not the original profiteers. They’ve > accomplished their goals, even perpetuate the systems and then what > happens? They somehow fade away and it gets memory holed and covered up > spare a few throwdown bodies. > > Many people don’t want to be part of experiments since that’s what these > things are. For example, bringing particular AI’s into childhood classrooms > which are already full of ongoing failed experiments, it’s a new > experiment! 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